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Post by shan on May 26, 2020 13:14:55 GMT -5
Not sure if this is the correct place to put this question, but I came across a photograph that I think I've seen before on this site, and it aroused my interest as to the outcome. Below is part of the the blurb that accompanied the photograph,
1886 Summary A meeting between Sitting Bull, Gall and others to lessen Sitting Bull's influence with Dakota Native Americans.; Sitting Bull's trial at Standing Rock Agency, North Dakota, for allegedly instigating the Crow to go to war; large group of Dakota Native Americans, men, women and children gathered around three men sitting behind table who are (left to right) Colonel Townsend, 12th Infantry, Colonel Barrister (gray hat), and Commissioner James McLaughlin; McLaughlin appointed by President Chester A. Arthur on October 27, 1881 to oversee Standing Rock Agency; McLaughlin fostered rifts ~~ for some reason it cuts out there.
As I said, I've seen the photograph before, but had never noticed Sitting Bull sitting amongst the onlookers, its a great photo and on the site itself, one can blow it up to a fair size, so that one can recognise others, I notice that Rain in the Face is there for instance, }
Now, Given that I know little or nothing about this event, my question is, can anyone tell me A, how it came about, and B, what the outcome was?
thanks Shan
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Post by Dietmar on May 26, 2020 15:35:46 GMT -5
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Post by shan on May 26, 2020 17:42:09 GMT -5
Thanks for that Dietmar,
interestingly, the photo that drew me to the subject is one of the same event, but taken either before or after Sitting Bull spoke, probably before I'd guess, for he's sitting to the right as one looks at the photo, amongst a crowd of Indians with one hand holding his jaw while he listens.
Marvellous photos though, full of interesting Characters.
Shan
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Post by shan on May 27, 2020 6:22:58 GMT -5
Quick up date, the man in the crowd that I thought was Sitting Bull ~ isn't. bBrry did take a number of photographs of that event, and whilst they are all fasinating, that is the only one in which we see Sitting Bull. However having said that, I went back onto the site today " The Denver Public Library," and trawled through the Barry photos, and found Gall sat at another of those meetings that Barry had photographed.
Shan
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Post by Californian on May 11, 2023 12:53:27 GMT -5
the man seated on the left looks similar to Trager ? click onto image to enlargeMorledge or Trager? Marshal George Bartlett, owner of the post office/store Louis Mousseau, Anthropologist and writer Warren King Moorhead and an Indian soldier/policeman - in Mousseau's store, which served as a base for journalists during the Ghost Dance 1890-91
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Post by gregor on May 12, 2023 10:11:23 GMT -5
the man seated on the left looks similar to Trager ? click onto image to enlargeView AttachmentMorledge or Trager? Marshal George Bartlett, owner of the post office/store Louis Mousseau, Anthropologist and writer Warren King Moorhead and an Indian soldier/policeman - in Mousseau's store, which served as a base for journalists during the Ghost Dance 1890-91 Most of the well-known Wounded Knee photos were taken by Gus Trager or Clarence Grant Moreledge ("CGM"!), who was living at the Pine Ridge agency at the time. Morledge, who worked for the Omaha World-Herald collaborated with Trager to sell the pictures. Some photographs clearly attributable to Morledge appeared on Trager mounts.
However, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish Trager photos from Morledge photos. Trager was about 29/30 years old at the turn of the year 1890/91. Clarence Morledge ( * 1865 † 1948 ) was about 24 years old at that time (see photo). I therefore suspect that the photo with Bartlett shows the older Trager - maybe. This photo of Moreledge is said to show Trager - unfortunately only from behind.
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Post by Californian on May 12, 2023 11:41:01 GMT -5
thanks Gregor after digging around a bit more I am not so sure anymore. There is a printed newspaper version of this image which bills the man to the left as the writer (newspaper correspondent) of the accompanying article, whereas I found another image, this one by John C. H. Grabill, showing once more the same man - thus I am inclined that it is indeed the newspaper correspondent and not Gus Trager. click onto images to enlarge
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