|
Post by grahamew on Apr 6, 2018 12:53:51 GMT -5
Here's an interesting one: the Crow leader. Medicine Crow. Clearly, it's a fairly late photo. 1890s or more?
|
|
|
Post by carlo on Apr 11, 2018 15:23:24 GMT -5
I can’t view any of the pictures you recently put up Grahame, am I the only one having this problem?
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on Apr 12, 2018 4:09:39 GMT -5
"postimg.ORG domain is locked by Registry, no prior notice. While we hope to resolve the issue, we chose postimg.CC as our new home. Please update codes embedded in your websites." Looks like the picture hosting site is down. That's a bummer. This is the second time this has happened with that hosting site. Fingers crossed it gets fixed, but I'll try with another site for now.
|
|
|
Post by carlo on Apr 15, 2018 2:23:03 GMT -5
Interesting picture, I have until now not seen knife clubs among the Crows. Not discounting it offright, but could this be a studio prop?
Is there any other (visual) evidence for its use among the Crows?
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on Apr 15, 2018 2:51:15 GMT -5
I wondered if it were a souvenir from the past - either booty or trade.
|
|
Mike
Junior Member
Former name was Ghost Eagle
Posts: 50
|
Post by Mike on Apr 22, 2018 0:46:46 GMT -5
Great thread and collection of photos. Just beware the late studio shots are often using props, especially anything by L.A. Huffman. This has inspired me to go through my ledger images looking for these awesome weapons.
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on Jun 2, 2018 4:49:40 GMT -5
Moccasin Top by Elliott and Fry again:
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on Oct 23, 2018 7:29:03 GMT -5
Here's another non-Lakota knife club - this time belonging to the Cree leader, Poundmaker:
|
|
|
Post by carlo on Oct 24, 2018 6:03:57 GMT -5
Nice one! Don't know much about Cree beadwork, but the beadwork on this knife club does seem to have similarities with Plains Indian material.
|
|
|
Post by Dietmar on May 22, 2020 10:21:33 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on May 22, 2020 14:19:14 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by grahamew on Jul 28, 2020 13:15:18 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Dietmar on Jul 28, 2020 16:00:29 GMT -5
Isn´t Picket Pin (Oglala) the club man?
|
|
|
Post by hreinn on Jul 29, 2020 5:07:11 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the "club man" is Picket Pin.
|
|
eric
New Member
Posts: 30
|
Post by eric on Sept 16, 2021 10:43:45 GMT -5
There were two photo's of He Dog taken during the 1877 Oglala delegation to Washington, in which he is shown carrying a knife club very similar to the one held by the man in the Wild West Show picture. It is, I believe, a snake effigy club, with the head carved like a snake's, and the brass tacks set in wavy lines to suggest scales. My copy is not to hand, but check out John C. Ewers's wonderful book on Plains Indian Sculpture, which has a great repro of the He Dog portrait, then sets it next to the first pictorial depiction of a Dakota Indian -- done by a French artist c. 1670. That early chief, styled by the artist as the "King of the Nadowessioux", is also carrying a snake effigy club. Not a knife club, but the continuity in imagery is clear. Check out the He Dog portrait, though, because it seems possible the knife club depicted in the Wild West Show image is the same one. And the Oglala Moccasin Top belonged to the same tiyospaye as He Dog, the Sore Backs. Food for thought. Kingsley, I believe He Dog's club and some of the other ones, are more likely a representation of the Wakinyan (thunderbird), the zigzag line representing lightning. Weapons in general belonged to the realm of the Wakinyan, snakes belong to the realm of their archenemies the Unktehi and Unkcegila. So, a weapon representing a snake as a symbol of power is somewhat of a contradiction.
Amos Bad Heart Bull shows a clear link between the Akicta function and these clubs in drawing no 1 of his book (Blish, a pictographiic history of the Oglala Sioux.
|
|