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Post by grahamew on Oct 26, 2017 14:27:43 GMT -5
163 - or maybe 169?
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 26, 2017 16:54:28 GMT -5
Well, let´s agree to disagree, Peter.
Grahame: good points. I also thought of the Lucas photo.
As I said before, I believe Hamilton expanded his catalogue of pictures he took directly at the agencies with additional photographs by him, or perhaps even by others (for example Sitting Bull).
The pictures below are possibly his pictures of the 1872 Sioux delegates on their way back from Washington: 86. Two Bears and Running Antelope. 93. Bear’s Rib and Long Fox. 98. Medicine Bear, Sioux Chief. 99. The Grass, Sioux. 113. Red Dog, Sioux Chief. (?)
Numbers 122. Pretty Bear and 141. Four Bears are likely 1870 delegates, perhaps plus number 120. White Goose, who might be White Swan.
No. 85. Rushing Bear and 179. Son of a Star are possibly portraits of the same Arikara man, The Pawnee Chief (No. 168) could be from the same series. 149. Crow’s Breast is also not a Sioux, but a Hidatsa.
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Post by peter on Oct 26, 2017 18:29:42 GMT -5
Dietmar, I believe what you said too. Great points. In my opinion, all Hamilton photos taken at Camp Robinson and at the White River agencies who did not have his trademark on, his name and Sioux City on, were sold or given away right there at the agencies. The other photos that he was not able to sell or get rid of at the agencies or the nearby places, he took them back to his studio at Sioux City and printed his name and Sioux City on. Those are the ones he sold later on. At least that is the way I see it. That is why some of them have only handwriting written on them and some his name and the Sioux City on.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 27, 2017 3:23:14 GMT -5
One of the most intriguing pictures in the Hamilton catalogue to me would be No. 112 "Black Elk, Sioux Chief". The earliest pictures of Nicholas Black Elk were taken in 1887, when he was a young man with Buffalo Bill´s show. So 112 would likely be his father, wouldn´t it? I hope this one will turn up someday.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 27, 2017 4:54:44 GMT -5
I'm curious, but when he was at Red Cloud, I'm guessing he used the same studio set up Mitchell would have used, as some of the latter's photos feature a blanket with one strip as the backdrop (and on at least one of Mitchell's, you can see his painted backdrop behind it). Presumably their paths would have crossed and maybe that accounts for this photo (165):
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 27, 2017 5:05:09 GMT -5
Please note that the two 'Sioux Belles' of No. 108 are standing 5th and 6th from right in the above picture.
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Post by peter on Oct 27, 2017 7:59:05 GMT -5
Grahamew, in my opinion, Hamilton and Mitchell were there at the same time, perhaps they were just crossing paths, but chances are they were there at the same time. I think the photographer in the picture is Hamilton, being describe physically as a large man. So if the photographer was Hamilton, who was taking his picture? who was photographing who? We know Mitchell was there in the beginning of September, but we also knew that Hamilton was there in August, but turned out to be that he was there in June and July also. Could it be that they were there at the same time even for only a very little short time? Just wondering.
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Post by ephriam on Oct 28, 2017 7:12:23 GMT -5
Graham: Regarding who took the photograph of Hamilton photographing the Sioux, it was not unusual for a traveling photographer to bring several cameras with him on an expedition of this nature. You would hate to travel all the way to Red Cloud and the Black Hills and have your only camera break! Remember that Hamilton's son joined him. I have assumed that this photograph was taken by his son, showing James Hamilton at the studio. I can add a few extra images to the list: 102. Sioux War Dancer 110. Scalping Scene. 123. Emigrants Surprised 125. Spotted Tail’s Son. 127. Spotted Tail’s Son and Family 136. Pappoose in Cradle, Strapped to Pony. 137. Indian Graveyard at Red Cloud. 149. Crow’s Breast, Sioux Chief. 161. Children in the Wigwam.
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Post by peter on Oct 28, 2017 11:03:02 GMT -5
I could not agree with you more. I was just wondering if Mitchell and Hamilton ever met at Red Cloud. The fact that they had more cameras it showed it on the photographs they took. This picture was not taken by a camera that was taking tintypes and so was the camera that Hamilton is using at the moment. We also know that he took tintypes photo as well. So I wonder, perhaps the camera that was able to take tintype was inside the studio which it was better to take inside pictures. It could have been his son taking that picture, Mitchell or perhaps two more persons who had camera at camp Robinson also.
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Post by peter on Oct 28, 2017 11:55:15 GMT -5
I have with me the original photo number 136.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 28, 2017 14:52:55 GMT -5
I`m sorry, Ephriam has sent me the photo files for his last post, but I´m not at home this week and not able to upload the pictures before next Sunday. Greetings, Dietmar
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Post by grahamew on Oct 29, 2017 8:08:37 GMT -5
Thanks, Ephriam. I suspected that might be the case but hoped otherwise. The scalping scene would be the one at the head of this thread, I guess. Isn't Emigrants Surprised a posed photo with several Indian scouts wearing what seem to be caped coats emerging from long grass and taking aim at a distant target? Or is that a Haynes or Morrow? I have it (or something like it) somewhere, but can't remember where. I remember thinking it was a Morrow, like one of those faked action scenes with Yellowstone Kelly
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 4, 2017 7:45:28 GMT -5
I´ve just uploaded Ephriam´s pictures.
I´ve never seen these two portraits of Spotted Tail´s eldet son. Excellent.
Thank you, Ephriam!
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Post by grahamew on Nov 5, 2017 4:36:04 GMT -5
Thanks, Ephriam. Wonderful photographs
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Post by peter on Nov 6, 2017 14:55:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Ephriam, great stuff as always. Did you notice young Spotted Tail breastplate? It seems to me, it is the same breastplate he wore at the delegation to Washington.
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