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Post by Dietmar on Jan 29, 2016 10:09:28 GMT -5
The Denver Public Library has better scans of the Lone Bull pictures I posted earlier:  According to the Nate Salsbury collection at the DLP this photo was taken in Antwerpen, Belgium:  |
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Post by grahamew on Jan 29, 2016 12:58:17 GMT -5
Also taken in Antwerp. I assume he's on here, but I can't make him out:  |
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Post by claudio on Dec 29, 2018 13:26:07 GMT -5
Hi boys! Here a picture taken in Bologna in march 1890 but I think it is impossible to recognize someone.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 30, 2018 9:57:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the photo, Claudio. If it was taken in March 1890, none of the Fort Sheridan prisoners could be in the picture. They started to tour with Cody in 1891.
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Post by claudio on Dec 31, 2018 9:09:36 GMT -5
Thanks to you Dietmar. The Wild West Show come to Bologna a second time in 1906, but so far I have not find photographs of that year. Maybe I'll be lucky later.
Happy New Year to you and all American Tribes.
Claudio
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Post by tomfc on Dec 31, 2018 11:23:05 GMT -5
Very, very belatedly, Lone Bull, named as one of the "prime leaders" of the Ghost Dancers, was almost certainly the man of the same name who participated on Cody's 1891-92 season, as he was one of the 23 hostages. Short Bull mentions him riding a grey horse which he had stolen, while they were holed up in the Stronghold.
The Starita book you mention sounds very interesting. I've ordered a second-hand copy - very cheaply!!! - from Amazon. I can't wait for it to arrive.
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Post by tomfc on Dec 31, 2018 11:31:20 GMT -5
Thanks to you Dietmar. The Wild West Show come to Bologna a second time in 1906, but so far I have not find photographs of that year. Maybe I'll be lucky later. Happy New Year to you and all American Tribes. Claudio Ciao Claudio, Sei italiano? Your photo interests me greatly, although, as Dietmar correctly says, this was a different set of Indians and if any of the Ghost Dance hostages were there, they were not there in that capacity. Napoli was another Italian venue that year. I have solid grounds for believing that Vesuvio, which was reported to have made a big impression on the Indians, was a major inspiration for the Ghost Dance movement. The Indians picked up on the fact that even the most rock-solid of empires (Roman, in the case of the 79 AD eruption which they heard all about) could be swept away by the wrath of God. BTW, I strongly contest Neihardt's claim that Black Elk was in Napoli with Mexican Joe, c. 1888. |
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Post by tomfc on Dec 31, 2018 11:35:04 GMT -5
Mmmmm ----- John Lone Bull was an Oglala. The Lone Bull here depicted is id'd as a Brule. These id's can be dodgy, but have to be taken seriously to begin with. There was an Oglala called Lone Bull who was listed among the "prime leaders" of the Oglala Ghost Dancers by Pine Ridge Agent Royer in November, 1890, men whom Royer recommended be arrested and confined off reservation. Check Joe Starita, THE DULL KNIFES OF PINE RIDGE: A LAKOTA ODYSSEY (New York, 1995), pages 227-229,for an interesting sidelight on Lone Bull's experience after the Cody tour. Maybe tomfc can help with the background to this story? What the Starita story does say is that Lone Bull only returned to Pine Ridge in 1898 after being kidnapped and exhibited "back East" as a kind of freak show. It then goes on to say he was allotted near Allen, SD, on the Pine Ridge Reservation. This does tighten the id with John Lone Bull, the informant of Donald Collier in 1939. A puzzling one ....... BTW, a confession. In my first book, The Diamond's Ace - Scotland and the Native Americans (2001), I made the appalling error of conflating Lone Bull with One Bull, nephew of Sitting Bull. I have long since corrected this delusion. Well, it was a long time ago and I was just starting out... |
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 28, 2019 16:11:32 GMT -5
I usually don´t post links to Ebay auctions, but this one shows a new and rare picture of the Fort Sheridan prisoners of 1891: www.ebay.com/itm/283356678443 |
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Post by nukemm33 on Nov 22, 2023 11:36:17 GMT -5
After the Ghost Dance had been brutally surpressed in the winter of 1890 and the movement had practically ended with the Wounded Knee Massacre, Lakota Ghost Dance leaders Kicking Bear and Short Bull with a group of other Lakotas designated as “hostiles” were sent to imprisonment at Fort Sheridan, Illinois, in January 1891. Almost all of these prisoners were picked in March 1891 by “Buffalo Bill” Cody to tour Europe as part of his Wild West Show. Most of the Lakotas of Fort Sheridan were photographed together by an unidentified photographer.  Note that Brave (standing far left) is sometimes identified as Revenge. However, other sources indicate that Brave and Revenge were two separate persons and that the man here shown is Brave. Chicago photographer George E. Spencer also took individual portraits of the Lakota prisoners. I hope we can gather here all that are available. Is the "Brave" mentioned here Charles Brave? |
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Post by nukemm33 on Nov 22, 2023 11:38:35 GMT -5
Mmmmm ----- John Lone Bull was an Oglala. The Lone Bull here depicted is id'd as a Brule. These id's can be dodgy, but have to be taken seriously to begin with. There was an Oglala called Lone Bull who was listed among the "prime leaders" of the Oglala Ghost Dancers by Pine Ridge Agent Royer in November, 1890, men whom Royer recommended be arrested and confined off reservation. Check Joe Starita, THE DULL KNIFES OF PINE RIDGE: A LAKOTA ODYSSEY (New York, 1995), pages 227-229,for an interesting sidelight on Lone Bull's experience after the Cody tour. Maybe tomfc can help with the background to this story? What the Starita story does say is that Lone Bull only returned to Pine Ridge in 1898 after being kidnapped and exhibited "back East" as a kind of freak show. It then goes on to say he was allotted near Allen, SD, on the Pine Ridge Reservation. This does tighten the id with John Lone Bull, the informant of Donald Collier in 1939. A puzzling one ....... BTW, a confession. In my first book, The Diamond's Ace - Scotland and the Native Americans (2001), I made the appalling error of conflating Lone Bull with One Bull, nephew of Sitting Bull. I have long since corrected this delusion. Well, it was a long time ago and I was just starting out... I'm just curious if Lone Bull and Little Bull are related. Little Bull was in the Cody show glamorized as "Chief of the Arapahoes". Looking at their pictures, I do see similarities as well. But maybe that's just me.  |
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