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Post by kingsleybray on Apr 17, 2015 3:59:55 GMT -5
I am continuing to work with Oglala friends who have made the original American Horse winter count accessible to me, with extended entries in written Lakota. One thing I have learned relating to the Standing Bulls is that the name goes back several centuries, and confirmed my speculations that it reflects a family relationship to the Calf Pipe keepers (Itazipcho tribal division of the Teton).
A fascinating detail on the man we've labelled Standing Bull II (c. 1770-1841). He signed the Treaty of 1825 with head-soldier Black Elk, together representing the Hunkpatila band. In the 1830s his chieftainship of Hunkpatila became precarious - hence the winter count entry to the killing of his horses under 1832-33. I speculated above that he must have joined the Kiyuksa/Kuhinyan band because he was killed with his kinsman Bull Bear in the brawl on Chugwater creek in 1841. This speculation was confirmed by the American Horse ledger, which states under 1838-39 that Standing Bull went to live with the Kiyuksa. He was drawn away by a woman, it expands. He lost much of his reputation over this affair and never regained his tribal standing.
This crisis in leadership led into a downturn of fortunes for the Hunkpatila band. One of the very oldest Oglala bands, Hunkpatila are believed to have originated on the prairie. The other primal Oglala bands are mentioned in the ledger as migrating from the woodlands onto the prairie - the Izuza (or True Oglala) after c. 1450, the Kiyuksa after c. 1675. In the 1840s the Hunkpatila are said to have merged with other Oglala bands, specifically the Payabya and Oyuhpe, to ensure they retained strong leadership. Standing Bull's affair had serious repercussions!
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Post by kingsleybray on May 4, 2015 9:43:50 GMT -5
In my original posting from August 29, 2014, I wrote: "Standing Bull II was probably recognized as the chief of the True Oglala/Hunkpatila band in the decade 1810-20." Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2132/standing-bull-tatanka-nazhin?page=3#ixzz3ZBEJKALRGradually we are refining the data. Indeed, Standing Bull II inherited his father's chieftainship of the True Oglala band. His father died in c. 1811 according to LaDeane Miller's genealogies. Their family had historic ties with the Hunkpatila band, going back at least to the 1740s, but our Standing Bull II tightened those links through marriage strategies. One of his 'daughters' married a leading Hunkpatila, probably in the slot 1810-20. Her husband was Lightning Stone, one of the five sons of Black Elk I. Another of those sons was Black Elk II, who signed the 1825 Treaty as Standing Bull's head-soldier. This suggests that the True Oglala and Hunkpatila bands had effectively merged by 1825. The move to the Platte river after 1834 shifted things again - the Hunkpatila on the whole resisted the move, retaining ties to the Black Hills. Many True Oglala chose to realign with the Kiyuksa and move southward. Standing Bull himself had strong Kiyuksa ancestry, and he notoriously joined the Kiyuksa in 1838 -- in a scandalous affair that cost him his standing among the Hunkpatila. One thing stands out behind these mergings and shiftings. They are not just one-off events, or political crises, but part of the constant morphing of social units as families sought to make marriage alliances with other bands.
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Post by grigoryev on Jun 17, 2015 10:22:00 GMT -5
Hello. Who else belongs to the family Standing Bull II except his son Standing Bull III? Did he have brothers?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jun 9, 2016 14:53:18 GMT -5
Here is an update with new information on Standing Bull III (c. 1805-1861):
Standing Bull III. The third Standing Bull was an active leader in the 1840s and 1850s. He was the hereditary leader of the Wamnuha-owin (Cowrie Shell Earrings) sub-band of the True Oglala band. He was presumably born somewhere in the timeframe c. 1800-1810. Unlike his father, who shifted south to the Kiyuksa band after he retired from the chieftainship in 1838, he seems to have stayed among the Oglala who ranged north of the North Platte river. Two of his wives were Short Woman, born c. 1816, and Painted Rock, born c. 1831 – both women still alive at Pine Ridge in 1886 and living in the household of their son Standing Bull IV.
Thanks to Ephriam, we have a St. Louis newspaper reference to Standing Bull III from 1844, in which he is named as one of the Lakota war leaders engaged in hostilities against the Pawnees during winter 1843-44. He was still an active war leader at this stage. In 1845 at the Oglala Sun Dance he was one of the new intake of members inducted into the Bull Headdress Wearers’ society, to which the chiefs belonged. The society then acclaimed him as a civil leader, the main chief or wichasha itanchan in the True Oglala band.
Standing Bull drew closer to Smoke’s Bad Face group, after they moved north following the killing of the Kiyuksa chief Bull Bear. Through the 1840s the two bands gradually merged together.
When the Bad Faces organized as a large, maximal band (in 1849?), Standing Bull shifted the Cowrie Shell Earrings over to that band. Alex Adams noted him as one of four Bad Face Deciders in the 1850s – the others being Smoke, White Hawk, and Brave Bear (aka Shot in the Face). Smoke and Standing Bull would have been classificatory ‘brothers’ through the Parts of Body connection, Smoke being the elder by some years. Standing Bull III was rated by Thaddeus Culbertson as an Oglala chief in 1850, aligned with an otherwise unreported band, the Night Cloud. Possibly this was another name for his sub-division of the True Oglala.
He was met by Agent Thomas S. Twiss in 1855, when he presented the new agent with "one garnished Robe, and one garnished pair of leggins." 'Garnished' refers to decoration with quillworked bands. In return Twiss gave Standing Bull "Ten Blankets, and other articles in proportion", goods allegedly siphoned off the Indian annuity goods.
In spring 1856 the Oglala chiefs' council met at the demand of General Harney to nominate a tribal head chief and nine 'sub chiefs'. Standing Bull was one of these so-called 'sub chiefs', who travelled to counsel with Harney at Ft Pierre on April 19th.
His last namecheck is in Twiss’s September 1858 report bearing on annuity goods under the Treaty of 1851. Old Man Afraid of His Horse, Smoke, Standing Bull, and Yellow Eagle (Hunkpatila chief) signed a document requesting certain changes in the goods supplied. No further contemporary records known to me mention Standing Bull III. However winter count information asserts that he died, from an unknown sickness, in 1861.
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Post by hreinn on Jun 22, 2016 13:37:51 GMT -5
Their sister, whose name has been rendered illegible in the ledger book due to water damage, When the woman's name was written, the pen/pencil affected the surface of the material which the woman's name was written on. Either scratching the surface or pushing it a little bit downwards by some micrometers or nanometers. Today, it could be possible to detect such effects and therefore see the name of this woman. For example, by using high resolution Atomic Force Microscope (AFM) or high resolution LASER scanning (both methods are non-destructive to samples) To increase the change of detecting the woman's name, it would be good from now on to handle this page carefully, until the woman's name has been detected.
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Post by hreinn on Jun 22, 2016 13:42:41 GMT -5
If it does not preempty something.
Were the wives, ancestors or descendants of: a) Buffalo Shield b) Buffalo Standing Up / Holy Standing Buffalo related ? Resulting in 1870s Standing Bull and Yellow Eagle to be related.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 13, 2016 7:59:25 GMT -5
grigoyev asked: Who else belongs to the family Standing Bull II except his son Standing Bull III? Did he have brothers?
Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2132/standing-bull-tatanka-nazhin#ixzz4PtP62a6dI have amassed so (so) much more detail on the Standing Bull dynasty over the past year it's hard to know where to start. But to address that question I can say that the man I called Standing Bull I in this thread (actually there were several who bore that name before him) was born about 1743 and died at the age of fifty in 1793. He had at least two wives, the first a Miniconjou woman he probably married in the later 1760s. The second belonged to the Shiyo band of Oglalas, and I think he must have married her at the time he moved his family back to the Oglala hoop, roughly 1770. They had divided with the rest of the tribe in the year of his birth. I think the son who bore the Standing Bull name, whose dates were c. 1770/75-1841, i.e. Standing Bull II above, must have been born to the Shiyo wife. Standing Bull I had at least three other sons (mothers unknown), named Horn Rattle, White Stone, and Blue Painted Shield. It's worth noting that one of Standing Bull II's sons was also named Horn Rattle. Standing Bull II had a daughter (name not known to me now) who married Lightning Stone, a brother of Makes the Song (Crazy Horse's paternal grandfather), from one of the leading families of the Hunkpatila band.
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Post by grigoryev on May 3, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -5
Here is an update with new information on Standing Bull III (c. 1805-1861): Standing Bull III. The third Standing Bull was an active leader in the 1840s and 1850s. He was the hereditary leader of the Wamnuha-owin (Cowrie Shell Earrings) sub-band of the True Oglala band. He was presumably born somewhere in the timeframe c. 1800-1810. Unlike his father, who shifted south to the Kiyuksa band after he retired from the chieftainship in 1838, he seems to have stayed among the Oglala who ranged north of the North Platte river. Two of his wives were Short Woman, born c. 1816, and Painted Rock, born c. 1831 – both women still alive at Pine Ridge in 1886 and living in the household of their son Standing Bull IV. Thanks to Ephriam, we have a St. Louis newspaper reference to Standing Bull III from 1844, in which he is named as one of the Lakota war leaders engaged in hostilities against the Pawnees during winter 1843-44. He was still an active war leader at this stage. In 1845 at the Oglala Sun Dance he was one of the new intake of members inducted into the Bull Headdress Wearers’ society, to which the chiefs belonged. The society then acclaimed him as a civil leader, the main chief or wichasha itanchan in the True Oglala band. Standing Bull drew closer to Smoke’s Bad Face group, after they moved north following the killing of the Kiyuksa chief Bull Bear. Through the 1840s the two bands gradually merged together. When the Bad Faces organized as a large, maximal band (in 1849?), Standing Bull shifted the Cowrie Shell Earrings over to that band. Alex Adams noted him as one of four Bad Face Deciders in the 1850s – the others being Smoke, White Hawk, and Brave Bear (aka Shot in the Face). Smoke and Standing Bull would have been classificatory ‘brothers’ through the Parts of Body connection, Smoke being the elder by some years. Standing Bull III was rated by Thaddeus Culbertson as an Oglala chief in 1850, aligned with an otherwise unreported band, the Night Cloud. Possibly this was another name for his sub-division of the True Oglala. He was met by Agent Thomas S. Twiss in 1855, when he presented the new agent with "one garnished Robe, and one garnished pair of leggins." 'Garnished' refers to decoration with quillworked bands. In return Twiss gave Standing Bull "Ten Blankets, and other articles in proportion", goods allegedly siphoned off the Indian annuity goods. In spring 1856 the Oglala chiefs' council met at the demand of General Harney to nominate a tribal head chief and nine 'sub chiefs'. Standing Bull was one of these so-called 'sub chiefs', who travelled to counsel with Harney at Ft Pierre on April 19th. His last namecheck is in Twiss’s September 1858 report bearing on annuity goods under the Treaty of 1851. Old Man Afraid of His Horse, Smoke, Standing Bull, and Yellow Eagle (Hunkpatila chief) signed a document requesting certain changes in the goods supplied. No further contemporary records known to me mention Standing Bull III. However winter count information asserts that he died, from an unknown sickness, in 1861. Hello Kingsley. Today, I read your posts about of Oyuhpe distribution 1835-1845. There were a few questions. One of them, is connected with the family of the Standing Bull. Analyzing your posts about Standing Bulls 1-4, I had the following hypothesis. In your list of Oglala band 1805, the family of the Standing Bull is listed as part of Hunkpatila. However, in all your posts, it seems that this family was among the True Oglalas. Only after marriage to the family of Makes The Song, they become a sub-band of Hunkpatila. I'm mistaken?
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Post by grigoryev on May 4, 2017 10:56:20 GMT -5
Hello. I had a hypothesis about the sub-band Night Cloud Mahpia Hanhepi. When the Bad Faces organized as a large, maximal band (in 1849?), Standing Bull shifted the Cowrie Shell Earrings over to that band. Perhaps, with him went a small part of his group, but most of the group did not go with him and retained their name. His followers formed a new tiyospaye, which was called the Night Cloud. A similar example was also of Bad Faces. How do you like this version?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jun 21, 2018 10:36:14 GMT -5
Some new and revised data on the man I called Standing Bull II when I first started this thread on a very important Oglala family line.
This Standing Bull was born about 1770, as reported by our late friend LaDeane Miller. In 1817-18 the Oglala tribe reorganized its leadership and Standing Bull was recognized as headman of the Red Banner (Waluta Wapaha) band, representing a temporary merger of elements of the True Oglala band with the Hunkpatila. By the time of the Treaty of 1825, white traders and government personnel considered Standing Bull to be the principal chief of the Oglalas, reflected in his leading role in the treaty councils.
In 1838, by now an elder in his 60s, he left his home band to live south of the Platte river with the Kiyuksa band, led by Bull Bear. According to the Lakota kinship scheme, Standing Bull and Bull Bear were related as brothers.(In Euro-American terms they would be classed as 'cousins' - their fathers were brothers.) There was a marital scandal attached to this move by Standing Bull. Standing Bull, although retiring from his status as chief of the True Oglala band, remained a highly visible and prominent player in Kiyuksa band affairs: he acted as its eyapaha or herald/crier.
He was wounded in the affray within the Oglala camp in December 1841 when his younger 'brother' Bull Bear was killed by Red Cloud. A brother of Blue Horse named Tail in drunken bravado grabbed Standing Bull outside the council tipi and stabbed him. He was not however killed as I stated in earlier posts.
The following summer 1842 the Kiyuksa hosted a Sun Dance where Scottsbluff, Nebraska stands today. In the council tipi the chiefs and elders debated the identity of the band after the tragic loss of Bull Bear. Standing Bull was the elder who picked a gartersnake out of the grass and bit it in two, reminding the people of their old and continuing identity as Kiyaksa, Bitten in Two.
Standing Bull remained the crier or herald (eyapaha) of the Kiyuksa or Southern Oglala division until his death which took place on Laramie Creek in 1856. He died of old age.
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Post by hreinn on Jul 10, 2018 12:54:11 GMT -5
Is it possible to clarify the distinction (if any) between : ? 1. Original Oglala 2. True Oglala 3. Oglala Proper
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