hako
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Post by hako on Nov 17, 2009 23:26:20 GMT -5
Thunder Hawk. G. H. NICKERSON, Provincetown. Mass. Date - n/a.  |
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2009 13:55:37 GMT -5
Late 1880s? 1890s?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2009 16:28:36 GMT -5
Hako, I´ve seen many portraits of Thunder Hawk, but this one is new to me. Great! Here is a question from a website visitor: Do you know if Thunderhawk had a daughter that went by the name of Morning Dove? my husbands family oral tradition says sitting bull and thunderhawk were cousins and that thunderhawks daughter morning dove is my husbands great grandmother. no proof of anything of course just stories Can anyone answer please? Btw, here is information at our main website: www.american-tribes.com/Lakota/BIO/ThunderHawk.htm |
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Post by dickmill on Nov 18, 2009 17:37:17 GMT -5
I'm somewhat confused by all the "Thunder Hawks" and don't seem to find a mention of the Thunder Hawk who participated with Spotted Tail Jr. in the murder of White Thunder on Rosebud in 1884. Here is a photo of the two: <img>http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs091.snc3/15851_1133698033558_1560515921_30303480_1032947_s.jpg</img> Thunder Hawk of the Standing Rock delegation to Washington in 1888 is pictured here: <img>http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs091.snc3/15851_1133699433593_1560515921_30303482_8088576_s.jpg</img> He's 4th from left, 3rd row (Sitting Bull is far left, 3rd row) in this photo: <img>http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2574/194/6/1560515921/s1560515921_30045398_5544425.jpg</img> I also saw a postcard some time again on eBay identified as "Thunder Hawk", but it's faded and I'm not sure which man it is: <img>http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs091.snc3/15851_1133698833578_1560515921_30303481_6193126_s.jpg</img> Are there then THREE Thunder Hawks we're talking about? |
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Post by dickmill on Nov 18, 2009 17:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by dickmill on Nov 18, 2009 17:52:10 GMT -5
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Post by dickmill on Nov 18, 2009 17:53:30 GMT -5
geezzz...I feel dumb  (Some day maybe I can use a REAL FTP site!) |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2009 18:41:04 GMT -5
Dick,
it was worth it, I haven´t seen the Spotted Tail Jr./Thunderhawk one.
The other three photographs show the Hunkpapa leader Thunder Hawk.
If you have more information regarding the Brule Thunder Hawk, we should start an own thread in the Sichangu section.
Thanks!
Dietmar
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Post by dickmill on Nov 18, 2009 22:46:40 GMT -5
The Macy & Doughty photo above is from my collection. I've seen another at the Nebraska Historical Society in the Jordan collection. The full story of Jr. and others (including Thunder Hawk) killing White Thunder can be found in the Hyde book "Spotted Tail's Folk" in the epilogue, page 305. There is also a full file of documentation in the National Archives (I have copies.) It's also in the epilogue that Hyde states on page 307 "Young Spotted Tail sank into obscurity. We do not know when he died." I posted this response in another section of this site, and repeat it here so others don't have to look for it: Spotted Tail Jr. was on the reservation during the tenure of Agent George Wright (1882-1886) and Col L.F. Spencer, my ancestor (1886-1889.) Spotted Tail Jr. died in June, 1888 of consumption. He was baptised in the Episcopalian church 3 weeks before he died and was buried near his father in the Spotted Tail cemetery. His marker is still there. Agent Spencer recorded Spotted Tail Jr.'s last will and testament, a document which is in a collection in Denver. There are also newspaper articles written about Jr. Jr. is often confused with William and vice-versa; often they are stated as being the same person, which, of course, isn't true. Part of the problem is that Jr. is sometimes referred to as "Young Spotted Tail" and historians more familiar with William have taken that designation and attributed it to William -- and then the error multiplies. For example, Jr. caused a lot of trouble at the Crow Dog trial and historians/authors reading about "Young Spotted Tail" in newspaper accounts have replaced "Young Spotted Tail" with "William" in their own writing. For those interested in tombstones, here is Jr.'s:  Everyone must have believed Hyde, that Jr. just disappeared. All the time, he has been 20 feet from his father in a well-marked grave with details of the burial in the Episcopal Church Rosebud records. |
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Post by dickmill on Nov 19, 2009 9:11:55 GMT -5
I also have another photo in my collection labeled "Thunder Hawk and Wives." I don't know if this is the same man who partnered with Spotted Tail Jr. in the White Thunder murder. The time of the photo is late 1880's, when my ancestor was agent at Rosebud.  |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 19, 2009 9:55:20 GMT -5
Yes, from what I see he is the Brule Thunder Hawk, a little older and with cut hair of course.
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Post by ladonna on Nov 20, 2009 14:41:29 GMT -5
I have been looking for a connect bewteen the Standing Rock Thunderhawk and the Thunderhawk oglala/brule
so far i can not find a connection.
the Hunkpapa Thunderhawk does not seem to be related to the other Thunderhawk
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Post by miyelo on Nov 23, 2009 21:43:33 GMT -5
I know the Oglala Thunderhawks. Ladonna you know Chubbs I believe? I will be in Porcupine on thursday I will ask Sky or Chubbs if I see him. I will def be with Sky but he prob won't know.
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Post by gregor on Dec 1, 2009 9:18:24 GMT -5
Hi everybody, recently I found an New York Times article on Thunder Hawk (Brulé or Oglala). The article dates from January 6, 1895 an says: “Hot Springs. S.D., Jan.5. – Thunder Hawk, an Indian from Rosebud Agency, brought here …. on the charge of murder, hanged himself in the county jail last night with a towel. He was charged with murdering a squaw named Her Good Horse and her seven-year-old son..” You can find this historic article here: query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F0DE1DE103AE533A25755C0A9679C94649ED7CFToksha ake Gregor |
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Post by jeroen on Dec 1, 2009 12:07:01 GMT -5
Thunder Hawk standing far right:  |
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