Stone Calf

[shatonska]

does anybody knows the band Stone Calf belonged to ?

[Dietmar]

shatonska,

there´s not much, not even in Powell´s books, but John Moore writes:

Although the Dog Soldiers had been defeated militarily and confined to the Oklahoma reservation in 1869, they continued to be the most militant of the Southern Cheyennes. On the reservation, they seem to have accepted the political leadership of Stone Calf, a former Dog Soldier Chief (Bent 1968:290, 294) who had been elevated to a Council Chiefship sometime before reservation days. As we shall see more specifically in the tabulated data to follow, Stone Calf had long been walking the narrow line between militant and collaborator.
(John H. Moore, Cheyenne Political History, 1820-1894, page 344)

[shatonska]

Aug 28, 2012 12:41:17 GMT -5 Dietmar said:

shatonska,

there´s not much, not even in Powell´s books, but John Moore writes:

Although the Dog Soldiers had been defeated militarily and confined to the Oklahoma reservation in 1869, they continued to be the most militant of the Southern Cheyennes. On the reservation, they seem to have accepted the political leadership of Stone Calf, a former Dog Soldier Chief (Bent 1968:290, 294) who had been elevated to a Council Chiefship sometime before reservation days. As we shall see more specifically in the tabulated data to follow, Stone Calf had long been walking the narrow line between militant and collaborator.
(John H. Moore, Cheyenne Political History, 1820-1894, page 344)

Danke Dietmar

Do you have info about Little Robe and Eagle Head bands ?
For Little Robe i found a quote saying he succeded Black Kettle as Wutapiu leader and that he was at Washita (but i give very little credit to this last info)
For Eagle Head (minimic) , a former Bowstring headman , in a letter from his captivity at fort Marion he had words for Whilwind , at the time principal chief of the Hair rope band , maybe his own band ?

[cinemo]

"shatonska" ,

Little Robe was at Washita ( November 1868 ) but his encampment was just downstream from Black Kettle`s camp.

See > The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes < by Stan Hoig, page 145

Greetings - cinemo

[shatonska]

Aug 29, 2012 14:24:29 GMT -5 cinemo said:

"shatonska" ,

Little Robe was at Washita ( November 1868 ) but his encampment was just downstream from Black Kettle`s camp.

See > The Peace Chiefs of the Cheyennes < by Stan Hoig, page 145

Greetings - cinemo

hi cinemo

yes
i wasn't clear sorry

i meant , as the info said , that he was in Black kettle camp and succeded Black Kettle as leader of his band (this i think is wrong , most probably he was in one the camps downstream and just succeded Black Kettle as leader of the peace faction )

[Dietmar]

shatonska,

I think it is like you said, Little Robe was one of the principal leaders of the peace faction among the Southern Cheyennes.
Little Robe, the younger, was a Dog Soldier chief until 1865, but he moved south thereafter. I haven´t seen any hint, that he was leading the Wutapio band.

Red Moon, a son of Yellow Wolf, and White Shield succeeded Black Kettle as Wutapio leaders after the latters death.

[shatonska]

yes Dietmar

i read recently that Red Moon married in the wutapiu , survived the Washita attack and i imagined he led at least part of the survival of that band , later succeeded by White Shield who married one of his daughters

[becky]

I found it very interesting to read the story of Sand Creek as told by John Sipes above. I had not read much about the women warriors and I found it quite interesting as well. My grandmother told us a very romanticized version of the Bents when we were little girls. Years later I spent a week with her writing down the family history. She told me then about the Sand Creek massacre and how the Bent boys had gone on a killing spree after seeing their family killed. She did not want me to include them in the family history because of the things they had done. I argued with her and included it. Now I am nearly the age she was when I got that first history from her. I am more forgiving of her ways now than I was then. I fully agree that the real story of the Sand Creek Massacre and the events leading up to it needs to be told. Our history needs to be rewritten to include all of us not just the select few chosen to be included in the written history.
Thanks for sharing the information.
Becky

[cinemo]

In 1871, Stone Calf, Little Robe, some Arapahoe chiefs and a Wichita chief ( Buffalo Goad ) arrived in Washington. They met President Grant. The Chiefs visited some cities .
In Boston, Little Robe and Stone Calf gave speeches.

Stone Calf`s speech at Boston :

"Friends : There is a great assemblage of persons hero tonight. Ladies and gentlemen and children are assembled to see us and hear what few remarks we may have to say.
Friends, I have recently received an invitation from the President, our Great Father in Washington. This gentleman, the Indian agent, went from his own country to
where we live with our invitation, and we at once accepted it and started for the East to see our Great Father in Washington. On our arrival there we found that he was kind to us, but we have had little to say to him. Our friend Little Raven—he is our friend; we are of two different nations, but we live in one nation—inasmuch as Little Raven, our great friend, has spoken to you and told you the wishes and thoughts of his tribe, you may consider it is for the Cheyennes as much as for the Arapahoes.Friends, when we left our homes a long way in the West to come to see our Great Father in Washington, as well as the balance of my friends who are now before me, I had no idea of having to be called upon to get up and speak in their presence; but notwithstanding this I will made a few remarks. There is but a remnant of our tribe left. A few years ago they were in trouble with the Government, not from any causes
that we created ourselves, but from abuses from western white men, who are on the borders and are nearly connected with us. We have made several treaties with the
United States Government, and in the last treaty of 1867 there were seven commissioners sent out to talk with us in regard to living in peace with the American people.
But their promises made then have never been fulfilled; they never have been complied with, while ours have been. Now why are we confined to this small strip of
country that is left us in return for the whole Territory of Colorado that belonged to us They said they would teach our people to plant and raise corn, and to build our
habitations from trees. But before they ever ploughed or planted an acre of corn for us they commenced to build railroads through our country. What use have we for
railroads in our country ? What have we to transport from our nations ? Nothing.

We are living wild, really living on the prairies as we have in former times. I do not see that we have been benefited in the least by all the treaties that we have made with
the United States Government. We wish the Government at present, with the aid of this association here, to stop the railroads from going through our country until we
have some way to support ourselves there. We haven’t an ox, we haven’t an acre of corn growing to-day in our great country that the Government has said they would reserve for us.
I speak of railroads; not that we have any objection to railroads if we had any use for them; but you can’t build railroads through our territory without white men being
left, among us on each side of the railroad, and they will come in conflict with us.They cannot remain there in peace with the Indians. Bad men are sent to build these
railroads, and bad men are left among us. We have young men that are foolish, who have not been thoroughly civilized. I for my part am at peace with the white man,
and desire to remain at peace with him; but if you send bad men among us, not chiefs like those who are here tonight, we cannot remain at peace. We expect these white
chiefs who are here tonight will support us in what we are saying, and we hope they will stop at once the progress of any railroads through our country, so that we may
live at peace for a long time with the American people.Friends, I see many here whom I shall probably never see again, and I am about to conclude the few remarks I have to say to you. To-morrow morning I expect to leave this city, but I shall never forget the friends I see here around me. I shall never forget the gentlemen whom I have been introduced to here, for I know they are my friends.Peace is all I want. I meet you all in peace, and return home with the hand of everyone of you ladies and gentlemen here, and I will give the hand of every one of you
to my nation when I return, and say tnat we shall be at peace with the American nation hereafter. [Applause.]
Friends, I have made all the remarks I have to make. I am to leave you tomorrow morning, to start westward to see my women, and friends, and children I left behind ".

www.mocavo.ca/Annual-Report-of-the-Board-of-Indian-Commissioners-to-the-Secretary-of-the-Interior-1871/113454/37

cinemo