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Post by ladonna on Sept 30, 2012 10:51:29 GMT -5
Not that i can find Spotted Elk is not mentioned in my family history and i never heard of a Hunkpapa Chief named Spotted Elk, I have family on my father;s side that are Spotted Elks but they are from Cheyenne River
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Post by ladonna on Oct 1, 2012 11:13:00 GMT -5
There is no Spotted Elk from Standing Rock, There was one who was from Fort Peck, One from Cheyenne River who married here and one from Rosebud. Can you give me more information on this Spotted Elk
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Oct 1, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
Thank you Ladonna.
He was a Hunkpapa, so the man from Fort Peck could possibly be the one we are looking for.
The info I posted is all I have, other than his war exploits. It was written up by Curtis and I have not seen any other information on this Spotted Elk. I am mainly interested in his apparent connection to Rain In The Face.
I guess Burned Shaver, his father, doesn't ring any bells either, right?
Carlo
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2012 2:09:16 GMT -5
Rain In the Face's father is Bear Face who was a chief, I have found his 5 brothers and four half brother three sister but no one named Spotted Elk as a family member, I will look at the Fort Peck Spotted Elk but it is saying he is Yanktonais
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Oct 2, 2012 3:41:42 GMT -5
Ladonna,
Although Curtis translated it as "half-brother", we can probably safely conclude (based on your details re. his direct family, thanks) that Spotted Elk was not that in the euro-american sense of the term.
Could Spotted Elk's father, Burned Shaver, be Rain In The Face's uncle on his mother's side? Then the term brother is logical from a Lakota point of view, and easily translated as half-brother by Curtis for his American readers.
Thanks again,
Carlo
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2012 8:20:39 GMT -5
Smoke Woman was Blackfeet Lakota woman the mother of Rain in the Face so if he came from Rain in the face mother's side he would not be Hunkpapa. What i can think of is it is probably adoption do you know if he ran with Rain In the Face's boys the group of young men that fought with Rain?
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2012 10:17:37 GMT -5
Ok I done some more research and found this information
from the Spotted Elk on Standing Rock
Hehaka Gleska Luke Spotted Elk b. 1871
1st Spouse: Tunkaninapewin-Appearing Shell b.1876
2nd Spouse: Barbara Blue Earth b. 1870
3rd Spouse: Sasawin b. 1856
Children
Son: Anpetuwaste- John Spotted Elk b. 1893
Son: Hugh Spotted Elk b. 1898
Daughter: Maggie Spotted Elk b. 1902
Stepson: Paul Blue Earth b. 1900
Stepson: Edward Whiteman b. 1893
Hugh Spotted Elk b. 1898
Spouse: Sarah Brave Bull Wise Spirit B. 7-1-1906 d. 11-1992
Children Daughter: Merriel Spotted Elk b, 3-1-1929
Daughter: Hermaine Spotted Elk b. 2-11-1931
Daughter: Ethel Spotted Elk b. 1-18-1933
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2012 10:19:09 GMT -5
This Spotted Elk was born almost 30 years after Rain In the face
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Post by nicolas (carlo) on Oct 2, 2012 13:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks for searching; the Spotted Elk we're looking for was born in 1842. So he might be his father.
Still no link to Rain In The Face then. I somehow doubt he was adopted, as Curtis states he succeeded his father as Hunkpapa chief (presumably when he died). Anyway, it's a fair guess that the key lies with details of his father Burned Shaver, who unfortunately remains elusive.
Carlo
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Post by ladonna on Oct 2, 2012 14:18:59 GMT -5
I found a Spotted Elk born in 1842 that is Oglala and not Hunkpapa
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Post by kknoeb on Mar 7, 2013 18:53:31 GMT -5
I am trying to trace my mother's side of the family, and since I was born, everyone has said we were directly related to Chief Rain-In-The-Face. When I trace back, I am missing a couple of generations, and I am hoping someone might be able to help me fill in the blanks.
The story was at some point, one of sons or grandsons changed their name to 'Raine'.....why I don't know.
My mother's mother was named Arlena Raine. Her father was James Washington Raine. His father was Joseph S. Raine. That's as far back as I can go.
Am I on a losing quest to trace the family back to Chief Rain-In-The-Face?
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Post by ladonna on Mar 8, 2013 9:56:54 GMT -5
Sorry you are not related to my family, i sent and email to you.
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Post by ladonna on Jan 28, 2014 12:54:57 GMT -5
Mato Ite: born: abt 1800
1st Spouse: Hehakawin b.1811
2nd Spouse: Smoke Woman b. 1814
Children
Son: Walutawakinyan -Red Thunder – b. 1827
Son: Hemaza -Iron Horn – b. 1829
Son: Mato Ite -Bear Face II – b.1830
Son: Itonagaju -Rain in the Face – b. 1836
Son: Shave Head – b.1840
Son: Mato Cigala -Little Bear – b. 1842
Rain in The Face born 1835 Died 9-14-1905
1st Spouse: Wanblinapewin- Rising Eagle
2nd Spouse: Natewin-Head born 1844
Children:
Daughter: Otaktewin-Kills Many b. 1879
Daughter: Apesawin- Agatha born 1871
Daughter: Wiyahipiwin-Came for her-1874
Daughter: Mahpiyapeta-Angela Crow Ghost born 1881
SON: Kangiwanagi- (Gives the Spotted) Bernard Crowghost born 1878
Apesawin- Agatha born 1871
1st. Spouse: Isidore Bone born 1868
Children
Daughter: Jennie Bone born 1893
Daughter: Corn Bone born 1894
Daughter: Ida Bone born 1898
Daughter: Rose Bone born 1901
Daughter: Lillian Bone born 1909
2nd Spouse: Fredrick White Coat born 1869
Children
Son: Leon White Coat born 1893
Wiyahipiwin-Came for her-1874
Kangiwanagi- (Gives the Spotted) Bernard Crowghost born 1878
1st Spouse: Marie born 1879
2nd Spouse: Bessie Elk Nation born 1885
Children
Daughter: Angela Crow Ghost born 1881
Son: Leo Crowghost born 1905
Daughter: Amelia Crowghost born 1905
Daughter: Amy Jennie Crowghost born 1907
Son: Samuel Crowghost born 1909
Daughter: Rosa Crowghost born 1911
Son: Bernard Crowghost born 1914
Son: James Crowghost born 1916
Leo Crowghost born 1905
Spouse: Lillie Take the Gun born 1913
Children
Daughter: Fidelia Crow Ghost born 6-26-1933 -10-16-1934
Amelia CrowGhost
Amy Jennie Crowghost born 1907
Spouse: John Thompson born- Fort Peck
Children:
Daughter: Seraphine Crowghost born 1924 lived with Whitecoats
Daughter: Rose Thompson born 1926
Daughter: Mary Jane Thompson born 1932
Son: Herman Thompson born 8-21-1935
Son: Howard Thompson born 9-26-1936
Daughter: Evelyn BlancheThompson born b. 7-8-1933 d.10-6-2004
Samuel Crow Ghost
Spouse: Winifred White Bear Paw (Claw) born 3-26-1913
Children:
Daughter: Melda Crow Ghost born 3-2-1933
Daughter: Helen Crowghost born 2-20-1935
Daughter: Beverly Crowghost born 1936
Helen Crowghost born 2-20-1935
Spouse: Basil Alkrie Born 1934
Bernard Crowghost born 1914
James Crowghost born 1916
Spouse: Adaline White Bear Paw (Claw) born 3-10-1911
Children
Daughter: Ima Grace Crowghost born 4-4-1934
Angela Crow Ghost born 1881
Children
Daughter: Rosa Crowghost born 11-12-1911
Rosa Crowghost born 11-12-1911 d. 7-19-1956
Spouse: Richard Ricker Fort Peck
Children
Son: Stephen Ricker born 4-18-1929
Daughter: Lois Ann Ricker born
Son: Orville Ricker born
Son: Eugene "Gene" Ricker born 12-27-1934 d. 10-1-2008
Daughter: Phyllis Angeline Ricker born 4-22-1940 d.5-7-1992
Daughter: Mary Lynn Ricker born
Daughter: Joyce Ricker born
Son: Donald A. Ricker born
Son: Virgil Ricker born
Son: Dale Ricker born
Kangiwanagi- (Gives the Spotted) Bernard Crowghost born 1878
1st Spouse: Marie born 1879
2nd Spouse: Bessie Elk Nation born 1885
Spouse: Bessie Elk Nation Crowghost born 1885
2nd Spouse: Charles Village Center born 1884
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Post by dT on Jan 28, 2014 13:41:29 GMT -5
Ladonna ... you are very fortunate to have such a great warrior in your family line!
I don't know why people get so worked up about small details. The quotation from Jinlian above (from Rain In The Face) seems believable to me. Who can say what happened on the battlefield after the fighting and killing were over. Mutiliation of bodies, incl. by old men and women, has been common in many wars across the centuries (and has been done by many different cultures). It is not unusual, and certainly not a reflection on your relative.
dT
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Post by bwolfnecklace on Feb 7, 2014 14:26:12 GMT -5
Rain-in-the-Face was a brave warrior and stood firmly in preventing killing of game and buffalo of the Lakota. His warriors once attacked railroad survey crews. Captain Yates and Tom Custer and 100 cavalrymen arrested Rain-in-the-Face for killing two trespassers on Lakota land. He later escaped from the guardhouse at Ford Lincoln. He was a key leader who fought Custer in the Battle of the Little Big Horn on June 25, 1876. On a buffalo hunt in 1877, a gun he was carrying accidentally discharged hitting him in the knee and crippling him. True and loyal to the Lakota people, Rain-in-the-Face died at Little Eagle (Running Antelope), on the Grand River, September 12, 1905. (Cross H. 1927, p.57). He is believed to be buried at the Episcopal cemetery in Bullhead/Rock Creek, South Dakota. Done by Robert Gipp Rain-in-the-Face had five brothers, Red Thunder, Iron Horn, Little Bear, Shave Head, and Bear’s Face |
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