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Post by zschippcher on Aug 24, 2013 12:35:08 GMT -5
Hello,
I'm looking for a scan of Michelson, Truman (1913). Notes on Cheyenne and Sutaio. MS No. 2684-a, Archives, Bureau of American Ethnology. Smithsonian Institution. Washington.
Thanks for your help.
Regards.
André
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2018 1:14:41 GMT -5
Did you ever find this?
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Post by grahamew on Mar 15, 2018 3:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by Mike on Mar 18, 2018 1:00:41 GMT -5
Very nice. Just at a glance it seems 80 % readable, I already see topics I'm interested in on the first page. (edited from first post)
This is what I can read verbatim
Page 1:
Elk lodge originally a Suhtai affair
Dog soldiers
Fox soldiers
Red Hoof Lodge
Contraries
*Illegible................*
"[Bowstrings and Crazy Dogs originated later when mixed with Cheyenne]"
Sundance from Suhtai
the Suhtai met the Cheyenne after(?) the Arapaho
Suhtai met Gros Ventre on the Missouri River east of the Black Hills
At the time Cheyenne + Suhtai met both wore moccasins without the double sole.
The Suhtai wore hides with suspenders over the shoulders
*line is partially readable but not enough to attempt*
The painted lodges originated with the Suhtai
The buffalo cap lodge ? not recently
Page 2
There were no horses at this time, both used dogs
The Omaha dance came from Sioux about 30yrs ago
The Chey. + Suhtai dressed their hair as today and wrapped it with buckskin etc.
An old man was? ??
The stories of S.+ C. different
(the Rees and Pawnee talk alike)
Wrapped Hair can still tell Suhtai stories
The Buffalo cap soc. + med. arrows soc. only things sacred + not to be explained to whites
says all right if man married sister of member of own society.
marriage of relations prohibited
4 women belong with each lodge, used as singers
?? society had a custom of letting their sisters dance with them. These were the only ones who permitted this.
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Post by Gary on Mar 20, 2018 2:54:25 GMT -5
Thank you. If you manage to decipher any more, please post it.
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Post by Gary on Mar 20, 2018 3:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by Mike on Mar 24, 2018 0:03:35 GMT -5
Will do, I enjoy deciphering them. I'm busy working on several questions I want to ask about Lakota bands and Cheyenne bands on this site, but I soon will sit down and have another go at the documents, it's a lot of great info.
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Post by Mike on Sept 23, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -5
On image 2684-a_05.tif it says:
The Suhaio met the Cheyennes because then the Sioux and other Indians were not out or far west then. Sutaio + Cheyenne had a fight against each other. At this time of meeting the Cheyenne planted corn on the Missouri River but is uncertain whether the Sutaio did or not.
At time of star falling (in 33) the two tribes had amalgamated. If S. man married Ch. woman, children Ch. The Sutaio at that time considered the Cheyenne.
Today if Ch man marries Sioux or Ree woman, children considered Ch.
Ree Sioux} man marr. ch. woman, children if male Ree Sioux; female Cheyenne
? societies had charge of regulations about hunting. If a man made trouble in camp, the societies would destroy his camp, kill horses, at times whip the offender, A man's own society would not touch him. After awhile the punishing society if they thought the man had ? by his punishment might give him presents, a couple of horses, and clothes + ? apologize.
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Post by zschippcher on Sept 21, 2023 14:53:55 GMT -5
I took the notes again and failed in many places. Have you continued to work on the transcription?
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