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Post by grahamew on Nov 1, 2013 4:48:59 GMT -5
I posted this photo here amertribes.proboards.com/thread/358/help-identification?page=2 a while back, It was captioned, "This picture is purported to be a "Rare photo of Lonesome Charley Reynolds, a scout killed with Custer at the Little Bighorn. Here he is wearing a derby hat, with Chief Charlie Hogg, and Hogg's wife and child. Circa 1875." Gratefully received from David Hurlbut, the grandson of Walter Scott Reynolds' daughter, Bernice Ethel. It was given to him by his sister, Bernice, and she in turn received it from a friend who knew she was Charley's great-grandniece." Now, I don't think it is Reynolds and I have no idea who Chief Charlie Hogg is. This variant turnd up at Cowan's: Caption: "Sixth plate tintype of a white man posed with Cherokee Indians. The image was found in a family photo album belonging to the consignor's grandparents, and identified in the album as family member Vernon S. Merrick, who worked on the Cherokee Indian reservation in Oklahoma (Indian Territory), as an agent or other officer. The other subjects are described as a half-breed baby with its mother and the mother's brother." www.cowanauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?ItemId=135211Close up: I don't pretend to be an expert on moccasins, but the side fringe is Southern Plains, favoured by the Kiowa and Comanche but used by others, isn't it?: Anyone got any ideas?
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Post by almont on Nov 1, 2013 10:05:58 GMT -5
The man in the hat has been identified in other photos as George Reynolds. The seated man is probably Wild Hog, the Cheyenne, and the woman and child are probably his family. Wild Hog was one of the Cheyenne men who were tried for murder in Kansas based upon fighting that happened as the Cheyenne people fled north from Indian Territory. While the men were imprisoned in Kansas they were eventually allowed to have their families with them and this photo probably reflects that. almont
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Post by grahamew on Nov 1, 2013 13:54:29 GMT -5
Thanks. It certainly looks like Reynolds, but Wild Hog seems a lot older. I wonder if this was taken at later date when the men met up. He wqs about 40 at the time of the outbreak, I believe.
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 27, 2014 6:04:38 GMT -5
I got a request from a new member: Does anyone have portraits of Enoch Hoag or can anyone confirm he is in one of the photos on page 1 of this thread? Thank you.
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Post by Dietmar on May 1, 2014 5:20:55 GMT -5
This is the only picture I have found online of Enoch Hoag. Here he is with a delegation of Osages in 1873: Enoch Hoag There is another one of him with the Arapahos Left Hand and Powder Face at the Smithsonian, but it hasn´t been uploaded yet.
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Post by cdhoag on May 22, 2014 16:30:58 GMT -5
Thanks Dietmar, that was the only photo I was able to find online, as well. Please let me know if anyone has anything on Enoch Hoag.
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Post by Dietmar on May 22, 2014 17:42:12 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 15, 2015 18:17:48 GMT -5
We talked about this picture earlier in this thread. I think it´s safe to assume that John Hillers took the photo in Indian Territory. From other photos I found by him in the meantime I believe that I can positively identify at least two men in the group. The Indian fourth from right, with white shirt and dark vest, is likely Dangerous Eagle, a Kiowa. The man at his right side, wearing a hat, must be Sun Boy (aka Son of the Sun), a Kiowa leader. At first I though he resembles Tawakoni Jim, but another portrait by Hillers of Sun Boy convinced me.
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 24, 2015 7:08:01 GMT -5
I believe some of these guys are sitting around the buffalo robe painting in another photo, but what say You Dietmar? (Sorry, I can't post the pic in question- but I'm assuming You know it.)
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 24, 2015 11:02:58 GMT -5
Hi Mark, I think you mean this picture?: First... what I think is, this picture was taken by Hillers around the same time he photographed other Indian people in the Indian Territory. These are probably Kiowas. Why do I think that? There is another shot by Hillers with Kiowa chief Dangerous Eagle, Black Bear and other men, please look here: Dangerous Eagle is sitting in the back, with black vest and white shirt. I don´t know who of them is Black Bear. I believe the man sitting far right in the buffalo hide photo looks a lot like the man sitting second from right in the "coffee" group photo above (shirt, haircut, etc.). Perhaps the men on far right and far left can also be found in the buffalo hide pic. I´m not absolutely sure. I´ll come back to the other photo later...
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 24, 2015 11:29:13 GMT -5
So... I´m not totally convinced, but I´m thinking about those two sitting far left in the buffalo hide picture.
I´m more inclined to believe that the man in the coffee photo, sitting second from left with his short braids, is the one standing far right (with hat and fan) in the first photo of this tread.
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 24, 2015 15:22:29 GMT -5
Wow! Clearest scan I've seen of the buffalo robe painting pic so far! Never seen the coffee photo before! You are likely right on Your ID's. Third man from the right, watching the hide painting looks a lot like the Kiowa Woman Heart. Could it be Dangerous Eagle assisting in the painting? I thought that the two men extreme right in the "southern delegation" pic that started this thread where the same two sitting extreme right, watching the buffalo hide paint job. Hard to tell for certain.. The white man in the delegation photo looks to me to be the same as in the buffalo hide paint picture. Maybe an agent to the Kiowas? Regarding who might be Black Bear in the coffee photo: My guess would be Your guy with the short braids. Reason being that He is also in the delegation photo. Maybe his fan indicates some chiefly status. In the end it may turn out to be the Kiowa delegation, rather than the Cheyenne delegation to Okmulgee counsil in 1875..
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 24, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -5
Just went and found that other thread on fb Prairie Material Studies, where You posted a portrait of Dangerous Eagle wearing a hat. As far as I can tell it's the same as the guy in white shirt/black vest is wearing in the buffalo paint scene. Looks like it could be the same hide leggings with twisted fringe too.
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Post by grahamew on May 1, 2017 11:07:36 GMT -5
Dangerous Eagle taken at the conference: I think it's the same man too.
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