Masai and Apache kid as scouts

[dT]

naiches2 - good catch.
I should have been paying more attention myself.
if Maasai was born in 1874 then he would have been only 12 years old when shipped to Florida.
that is too young to have accomplished what he did with his great escape.
so yes, a birth date of 1864, or more likely 1854 makes a lot more sense.

dT

[naiches2]

From ubiquitous Wikipedia:
Massai (also known as: Massa, Massi, Masai, Wasse or Massey; c.1847-1906, 1911)

[dT]

wow. so he was almost 40 years old when he escaped from the train and did the cross-country journey. and still going strong!!
that's impressive :-)

dT

[Second]

Massai was a Warm Springs Apache. His escape was well known. They even made a movie about him with Burt Lancaster, I believe. After escaping from the train he returned to Ojo Caliente. He remained there for 25 yrs. During those years he married a Mescalero woman, and the had four children. In 1911, he was shot and presumed killed while approaching a horse at the Warm Springs Agency. Soon after the incident, the wife and children returned to Mescalero. Some of his descendants are singers among the Warm Springs Crown Dance group. The highest Mountain peak (Massai's Peak) at the Chiricahua National Park in Arizona is named after this great warrior.

[Second]

Thanks Cinemo, I never knew the reason for Massai's escape. Many stories have been written about the man. Hollywood made a movie with Burt Landcaster about the great escape. The Chiricahua National Monument Park in AZ named the highest mountain peak in his honor.
Massai made his way back home to Ojo Caliente. He later captured Zan-a-go-li-cheher, a Mescalero girl from her reservation.
After being shot at Ojo Caliente, his wife and children made it back to Mescalero. His descendants are alive and well. Some are singers with the Warm Springs Crown Dance group.

[pullingup]

Massai was noted by the other Chiricahua/Warm Springs Apaches as being utterly ordinary in his skills and abilities.

[whitehawk]

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Massai (also known
as: Massa, Massi, Masai,Wasse or Massey; c.1847-1906,[1] 1911[2]) was a member of the Mimbres /Mimbreños local group of the Chihenne band of theChiricahua Apache. He was a warrior who escaped from a train that was sending the scouts and renegades to Florida to be held with Geronimo and Chihuahua.

Born to White Cloud and Little Star at Mescal Mountain, Arizona, near Globe.[3][4] He later married a local Chiricahua and they had two children.[5]

Massai later met Geronimo, who was recruiting Apache to fight American settlers and soldiers. Massai and Gray Lizard agreed to join Geronimo, who instructed them to lay in supplies of arms, food, and ammunition.[6]Other sources state that Massai also served the United States government on two separate occasions, once in 1880 and the other in 1885, as an Apache Scout.[7] Upon traveling to meet Geronimo's forces, the two were informed that Geronimo had been arrested.[6] Both men were arrested by Chiricahua Apache Scouts and disarmed. Massai was placed onto a prison train as a prisoner of war along with Gray Lizard, who voluntarily agreed[8] to accompany Massai, together with the remaining Chiricahua Apache who had either been captured or had surrendered to the army. This included the Apache Scouts, who were now deemed expendable and undesirable.[6]

Massai and a friend, a Tonkawa named Gray Lizard, later escaped from the prison train near Saint Louis, Missouri.[6] The two men walked some 1,200 miles back to the Mescalero Apache tribal area, crossing thePecos River, and Capitan Gap. Near Sierra Blanca, New Mexico, the two men encountered a group of Mescalero Apache. Several days later, the two parted at Three Rivers, never to see each other again. Gray Lizard departed for Mescal Mountain and theSan Carlos Indian Reservation near present-day Globe, Arizona, while Massai stayed on the run, raiding along what is today the New Mexico-Arizona border, and periodically taking refuge across the border in Mexico. His name appeared in San Carlos Agency reports from 1887 to 1890.[9] He later kidnapped and married (c.1887) a Mescalero Apache girl named Zan-a-go-li-che and took her home to his family at Mescal Mountain. Massai and Zanagoliche had six children together.[10]

Massai's later life and death are the subject of some dispute. One account states that in 1906, Massai, after contracting tuberculosis, took his wife and their children back to their home with the Mescaleros in New Mexico. Along the way he was killed by a posse, west of the town of San Marcial, New Mexico, between Socorro and Hot Springs, though no evidence of Massai's death was ever produced.[11][12] Some believed the Apache Kid was actually the man who died that day so the area was later named the Apache Kid Wilderness.[13]

Another account states that Massai escaped over the border to Mexico, eventually settling in the Sierra Madre mountains with a group of rebellious Chiricahuas who had refused to surrender with Geronimo.

[ouroboros]

In case noone linked this, there is a short internet article about the Apache Kid:
horsehints.org/Outlaws1/Outlaw_ApacheKid.htm

[Paul crow Castillo]

May 4, 2013 13:39:14 GMT -5 naiches2 said:

I don't now what he thought about his wife and daughter, but he captured Mescalero girl Zan-a-go-li-che (?) and had daughter Alberta Begay (June 8, 1903 – Oct 1, 1980) with.

as a young boy living in Kenedy, Texas in the mid 1940's I heard of a lady that was called Zangoliche, and she looked every bit indian. she lived by herself, as far as I knew,,, I didn't know
too much about apaches at that time since I was only 10 years old, but I do remember that ladies name very well. she was medium built and always wore her hair in a long braid down her
back or completely loose, in 1948 we moved to San Antonio,texas and I lost track of her. when I read her name in a western magazine ,I remembered her name right away, I had no trouble
pronouncing her name at all, I quickly remembered her and her name,, could it be that she was the young girl that Victorio kidnapped to be one of his wifes ?? and was living in Kenedy in 
hiding,,,, everything is possible. Zangoliche is not a mexican name,,, it is an apache name,,,,, you dwell on that for awhile,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Paul crow Castillo

[Paul Crow Castillo]

I read in a western magazine that Masai was shot and killed while trying to steal horses from a rancher, while he was taking his family to go live at the Mescalero Reservation in
New Mexico, the ranch hands gathered lots of dry firewood, made a huge fire and threw the body of Masai on the fire. his family waited 3 days before they approached the ashes
and could only recover his belt buckle, the rest of his body had burned to ashes,,,,,,,, the APACHE KID was never captured, but during a patrol by Mexican rurales somewhere in 
Mexico they came upon a body of an apache who was already decomposed and searching thru the body found a gold watch with the owners name engraved on the back of the
watch. they took the time and trouble to return the watch to its' american owner in ARIZONA, I believe, the rurales believed that the body was that of the APACHE KID, but it was
never proved that it was the APACHE KID, his whereabouts were never known, which led all who looked for him that he had managed to escape capture forever,,,,,,,,,,,, crow