Post by darlington on Nov 20, 2012 16:28:37 GMT -5
im intrigued regarding the death of sitting bull 1 question i would like to know is their any anomisty to the relatives of those who betrayed and killed the hunkpapa holy man and did it divide the tribe to this day......
I was in a hurry before so i will respond now, Ernie is from Pine Ridge has never lived on Standing Rock, when the Grey Eagle left the reservation and started their new lives in Pine Ridge life went on here. It was a different time when people were unsure of who they can trust, so people like the Indian police were given a higher status then the people called the hositles. Right or wrong it is what happened. It was a time of hardship and everyone did what they could to survive, McLaughlin's wife was Indian so they had their group of people that sided with them, Red Tomahawk was married to an imporatant Hunkapa family, Bullhead married into a Hunkpapa family, then for the people of Sitting Bull's camp it was hard times for them they were a small group compared to the other bands on Standing Rock, they survived Stravation, bad treatment by the agents, but being a small group they could do little but survive, by 1911 some of the people started the Black Hills claim and fighting for rights of the people and became a part of the new Tribal Council in 1911. Today the families are all intermarried.
Last Edit: Nov 29, 2012 10:11:26 GMT -5 by ladonna
today some of the old resents have surface again due to Ernie's views or interpretation of history after a hundred and 22 years it is time for our people to heal, there is interfighting among Sitting Bull's relatives but they are all still relatives after the dust clears,
I would like to come back to the initial question of the member above. The question was if there is still animosity between the remaining people at Standing Rock and the Sitting Bull Family. With Sitting Bull family was (and so I understand the question) meant his widows and children , the Jumping Bull/Ho-he family and others who fled from Standing Rock.
Before I comment on this, I would like to say something about my motives.
About 15 years or so ago, I started working intensively with the history and culture of the Plains Indians, especially the Lakota. Sometime 10-12 years ago, I wondered if there are living blood relatives of Sitting Bull. After some research, I found these blood relatives and I got in touch with Ernie LaPointe. Then I came to the U.S. and visited Ernie. Long before he published his book, he opened his home and his story to me. I can only describe Ernie as extremely generous, and I am very grateful to him.
In 2011 I visited the Standing Rock Rez, Fort Yates and the Sitting Bull College (BTW, a very impressive campus). Even there I met only friendly, helpful and generous people. All were very proud of Sitting Bull. And this is very striking, Sitting Bull is everywhere: the college, the Tatanka Iyotake Drive, Sitting Bull Burial site etc.
Now, once again it is said Ernie’s ripping up old wounds. But has he not the right to ask questions and to tell his story? His ancestor was killed (note: I’m not saying he was murdered), his family has been injured and forced to flee to Pine Ridge. The widows and the Jumping Bull family were not relocated to Pine Ridge, but without protection they had no future on Standing Rock and they fled. Sitting Bull’s family members have repeatedly tried to reestablish themselves on Standing Rock. The first time in 1908, when William Sitting Bull and his mother Four Robes asked to be transferred back to Standing Rock. Back then the plea was rejected by the BIA. For the last time in the 1990s when Ernie tried to get enrolled at Standing Rock. This time the attempt was prevented not from the BIA, but by members of the tribal council. In my understanding (and I’m an outsider) with obscure reasons: Sitting Bull was not enrolled on SR or Sitting Bull has no relatives or Ernie was born at Pine Ridge, etc. (BTW: I once asked Ernie what he would answer if asked who he was: American or Lakota? His answer: First I’m a Hunkpapa Lakota, then I’m American.)
Sorry, that's all “white men’s paperwork”. In the old days the Lakota would have said this is BS (you know what I mean). This is not the way of the Lakotas. The way the Lakotas - as an Pine Ridge elder wrote - would be “oneness with tunkashila, loving one another unconditionally. Respect, generosity, kindness and assistance wherever needed”. Or in my view generosity (wacantognaka?) and wisdom (woksape?). It would be generous to forget all the paperwork and to support a Sitting Bull family member to get enrolled at Standing Rock. This also would honor and legitimize the obvious use of a name: that of Tatanka Iyotake / Sitting Bull. Has Standing Rock ever tried to attempt a conciliation?
Officials had certainly something in mind, not naming the college after Gall or Thunder Hawk or John Grass. If Standing Rock wants to honor Sitting Bull’s legacy, the Reservation should also honor his family: those people, who have Sitting Bull’s blood flowing thru their veins. Without this family relationship, it would look like only trying to benefit economical from a world famous name.
For an outsider this strife is painful, because this is not the Lakota way, as I understand it. If I could wish something for 2013 – this could be the year, this should be the year to reconcile. Oneness is the answer!
A happy New Year from Germany! Let this year be a better one, than the last and may all your wishes come true!
Ernie's fight is with his relatives; this old fight has been with the One Bull and Grey Eagle families, not with Standing Rock, in fact the person who argued with Ernie is his own cousin from the One Bull family not the tribal council, as far as Sitting Bull's family Ernie and his sisters are the direct descendant of Sitting Bull. They are the only direct descendant of Sitting Bull. Sitting Bull has many relatives by his brothers and sisters, his Aunts and Uncles so the family is very large on Standing Rock. Ernie wanted to be enrolled on Standing Rock but Sitting Bull was not enrolled because he was before enrollment and his Daughter and wife were enrolled at Pine Ridge as Oglala. Which cause a problem because our rolls say you have to have a parent or grandparent on our rolls and Ernie did not have a parent of grandparent on our rolls, so his enrollment was refused which was just our tribal law. Yes Ernie grandfather was killed/murdered which we honor each year, as many of our own relatives at Wounded knee and Whitestone massacre we all understand grief. As far as Four robes and Sitting Bull's stepson requesting to return it was a different time and was when we did not have the right or say who came and went on the reservation. Yes, Ernie has Hunkpapa blood with Oglala and French blood, today Standing Rock accepts all Lakota Dakota Nakota blood 30 years ago it did not, The many people who are related to Sitting Bull here on Standing Rock want to find a balance but i feel that the problem comes from an interfamily issues. The Grey Eagles and the One Bulls families they have to find peace within themselves, Ernie and his cousin will have to sit down and make peace with each other. This is another one of those things where outside telling us what the Lakota ways is, We can do nothing until this family makes peace with each other and both are at fault for that each of these family have to make peace. If you can make this family find peace then why have you not done it. Our family systems are not like white people system so we have many here who are related and we still honor Sitting Bull we have never sold his DNA and still have many who have the family of Sitting Bull family blood flow in their veins on Standing Rock. Lakota way is a warrior way so all i can see is you want to fight instead of finding peace. We must stand back and let this family heal and find that peace, they need to sit down and heal we can not make these two family do that only they can do that.
Hau Ladonna, thanks for the detailed answer. I didn't want to teach you the Lakota way, I have only quoted Charlotte Black Elk and other elders and how I understood it (sorry, I forgot to indicate this). I just wanted to make clear that I can not denounce Ernie for what I consider his legitimate right. You are right, "we [all] need to look for peace and healing", but with regard to this issue I was only able to start a discussion - not more, not less. I wish you a happy and peaceful New Year! Toksha Gregor
Ernie is Sitting Bull direct descendant no one has said different in fact Standing Rock has a resolution stating that fact acknowledgeing Angelina and Sarah Little Spotted Horse as the direct descendant of Sitting Bull, No One really has a problem with Ernie he has his own issues he needs to work out, we can not do that for him. Remember always that the Oglala dont have the say over what is Lakota way that belongs to the Nation not a branch of the Nation. We are the seven council fires and all a little different from each other and yet the same. This discussion needs to be brought forward by the relatives and there needs to be healing among that family of One Bull and the Grey Eagle family The Grey Eagle of course was Sitting Bull's wives
I see on the standing rock tourism web site there is listed a monument to the people who assassinated sitting bull? Is there one, if so how does that effect "peace and healing"? Does the family of sitting bull condone this? I also heard recently that the decedents of those who assassinated sitting bull hold a sundance in honor of the murder? Ladonna can you shed some light on this?
Posted by cankpeopiSep 5, 2014 at 12:25am I see on the standing rock tourism web site there is listed a monument to the people who assassinated sitting bull? Is there one, if so how does that effect "peace and healing"? Does the family of sitting bull condone this? I also heard recently that the decedents of those who assassinated sitting bull hold a sundance in honor of the murder? Ladonna can you shed some light on this?
I guess we should start at the beginning. There is No monument for the assassination of Sitting Bull on Standing Rock. There is a grave marker in the Catholic Cemetery for the Indian Police who died at the arrest. Which family members are you talking about? there are many relatives of Sitting Bull but only one direct descendant that is Angela Little Spotted Horses's daughters and one son Ernie Lapoint. We have only five Sun Dance on Standing Rock Brave Thunder Dance (Lakota and Dakota), McKays (Dakota) Kidders (Dakota)Hu Wakpa-Bone Creek (Lakota and Arikara) and the Sitting Bull Sun Dance which was ran by Issac Dog Eagle who passed away two weeks ago, who was a descendant of One Bull Sitting Bull nephew. We have many relative of sitting Bull family here, his brothers Looking Elk and Crazy Dog, his nephews White bull and One Bull and all the people from Sitting bull camp who have relationship with Sitting Bull family. The Sitting Bull Sun Dance is held on the Gray Eagle's land Sitting Bull brother in law, his sister's married Sitting Bull the ones who went to Pine Ridge. Right i think the healing must come from the family members not the tribe.
Last Edit: Sept 8, 2014 10:33:21 GMT -5 by ladonna