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Post by grahamew on Nov 2, 2012 8:09:38 GMT -5
At the Heritage Auction site; notation on the back says, 'Bell (sic) of the Sioux): I'm sure we've seen several photos featuring this patterned cloth draped over the side of the backdrop. Alex Hesler (of Evanston, Illinois): Sioux camp ca. 1870, but Hesler was based at Evanston from 1872 aand he moved to Chicago in 1880. I'm guessing this is some sort of trader or scout camp. The man at the rear wears a vest and a headscarf and the woman wears a traditionally styled cloth dress, but the two younger men (boys) hace short hair and are wearing suits (or uniforms) and have hats: Railroad coming in; red man going out: a rather sad, insulting Grabill photo of an unidentified Lakota holding a photo of a train:
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Post by grahamew on Nov 3, 2012 13:08:23 GMT -5
Here's an odd one: a Yankton man allegedly taken by Bliss at Fort Sill! Yankton? Maybe. Bliss? No.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 4, 2012 5:29:57 GMT -5
Hi Grahame,
I wondered about the last picture, too. Is it possible that it is a Hamilton?
The auction site I saved it from said "Yankton Sioux Indian Checkl-Youk by WPBliss c 1870s"
Checkl-Youk? Doesn´t sound Dakota/Lakota, does it?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 4, 2012 5:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by gregor on Nov 5, 2012 13:20:49 GMT -5
Hi everybody,
the man on the photo " Rail Road coming in.." could be the Oglala Chanxaxa (Hump) in younger years, who was photographed by Frederick Weygold, who visited Pine Ridge in 1909. According to Weygold he was a medicine man and his most important informant. There are several pics of Chanxaxa in the German book "Ich, Dakota (I, Dakota)" of Wolfgang Haberland (pages 63 - 65 / unfortunately my scanner doesn't work - Dietmar, do you see the possibility to post one of the pics?).
In 1909 Chanxaxa was about 78 years old, he was married to Pte Hin Paxpa (?), his son was Chetan Ho Tanka (about 35 years in 1909).
What do you think? Toksha Gregor
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 6, 2012 11:28:15 GMT -5
Hey Gregor, your memory is better than mine. I´ve been wondering for days where I´ve seen these eyes before. This is Hump or Chanxaxa at age 78, photographed by Frederick Weygold in 1909:
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Post by grahamew on Nov 6, 2012 14:01:30 GMT -5
Great spot! Here are the other photos I know of that have that patterned cloth hanging over the edge of the photographic backdrop. Sadly, I don't know who the photographer is, nor exactly when they were taken (1877-83, I'm guessing...). Young Spotted Tail Unidentified Unidentified This photo doesn't have the draped cloth, but it did appear in an auction lot with three of the others, so, maybe, it's by the same photographer. Brave Eagle (actually, Yankton Charley, aka Plenty Wolves, and his wife)
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Post by gregor on Nov 6, 2012 14:26:22 GMT -5
Dietmar thanx - that were exactly the pictures I was thinking of. CU Gregor
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Post by dickmill on Nov 8, 2012 7:46:55 GMT -5
Grahamew -- the "Young Spotted Tail" label could be confusing. It's not "Spotted Tail, the Chief, when he was young." It's his son, "Spotted Tail Jr., also known as Young Spotted Tail." The label is correct, but may be misinterpreted by some people.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 8, 2012 13:53:29 GMT -5
Yes. Perhaps I should've clarified that.
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Post by gregor on Nov 10, 2012 4:44:12 GMT -5
hi grahamew, I believe the man on the pic under Young Spotted Tail is the Ogalala Stands First, here my reference. What do you think?
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Post by grahamew on Nov 12, 2012 13:20:30 GMT -5
Could be; I'm not sure hios bottom lip is as full as Stands First's, though. I'd love to know who the photographer is - and whether there are any more images in this series.
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Post by gregor on Nov 13, 2012 15:49:00 GMT -5
Here are some more pics of this photographer series: Spotted Elk, Brule Lil Hawk, Oglala & Lt Clark Red Dog, Oglala Rocky Bear and wife Mitchell compilation (no better resolution) The photographer is D.S. Mitchell of Cheyenne, Wyoming. Here is some information on Mitchell www.nebraskahistory.org/publish/publicat/timeline/mitchell-d-s.htm. Maybe Ephriam Dickson can give some more information. With regard to the Young Spotted Tail photo: in "Red Cloud-Photographs of a Lakota Chief" (Goodyear III) on page 65 you find a photo of Young ST with Red Cloud and Charles P. Jordan. Young ST seems to wear the same suit. The photo was shot in 1882, maybe at Carlisle or in Washington (?) Greetings - Gregor
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Post by grahamew on Nov 14, 2012 2:48:40 GMT -5
Sorry, Gregor, I meant the photographer of the woman in the first post - the one with the patterned cloth draped over the backdrop.
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Post by gregor on Nov 16, 2012 7:52:32 GMT -5
Sorry, my fault. To find out the photographer, we should look at related photos. A photo of Spotted Tail Junior with Red Cloud and Charles Jordan (trader on Rosebud Rez from 1883 to 1901) comes to my mind. This photo (in the middle) was shot early 1882, after the assassination of Spotted Tail Senior (August 5th,1881). At this time (1882) Spotted Tail Junior tried to become recognized as his father's successor. And I suppose he tried to gain the support of the whites. Jordan, who was fired by McGillycuddy earlier as clerk on Pine Ridge tried to get a license as trader for Pine Ridge or Rosebud. I suspect that the picture with the eye-catching curtain was taken in 1882 or no later than 1883. Perhaps Spotted Tail Junior was with Red Cloud & Jordan on a delegation mission to Washington. It is known that Red Cloud was photographed on January 22nd, 1883 in New Haven, Connecticut with paleontologist Othniel Charles Marsh. Photographer was Frank Bowman. On this journey they have probably visited Omaha, Chicago, Carlisle, New Haven, New York, Philadelphia and Washington - so we have to look for known photographs in these cities. A difficult job . I looked thru my ca. 3000 Lakota photographs, but didn't find a single pic with this curtain. Good luck!
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