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Post by smoothoperator86 on Nov 1, 2012 15:14:08 GMT -5
anyone here familiar with these prophecies
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Post by tkavanagh on Nov 2, 2012 7:25:53 GMT -5
I have known of them for almost fifty years; studied them, more or less intensively, for thirty. Generally, what *we* hear [which is to say that there are (probably) others that *we* don't hear] are bogus foolishness, passed off on gullible Bahanam (us), for a variety of purposes, financial and political, by people who have little or no connections with the traditional [lower-case 't' intentional].
tk
[Director, Hopi Tricentennial, 1979-80 (Second Mesa, AZ)]
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Post by jasper4 on Sept 27, 2013 11:30:18 GMT -5
the blue star is fast coming into the fray of the two legged
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Post by tkavanagh on Sept 27, 2013 19:39:21 GMT -5
Oh? And you learned this from where? whom?
tk
Esimotsoraivo
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Post by jasper4 on Oct 7, 2013 13:02:40 GMT -5
who cares what sides your tude is noted as one which needs no further interction point check out you tube or read a book or maybe if your hopi ask a Elder but do carry heh ok not to be mean I asked a hopi elder many years ago in northern AZ and so far as your demeanor it kind of sucks
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Post by tkavanagh on Oct 8, 2013 17:34:13 GMT -5
My demeanor sucks by asking for your source of information? And yours is ok?
Oh, yes: you say you asked one Hopi man many years ago. A good citation, that.
Although I have noted my relation with Hopi here and elsewhere, I will give you a brief synopsis. In early 1980, I was asked by the Chairman of the Hopi Tribal Council, Abbott Sekawaptewa, to be the Director of their Tricentennial Commemoration of the 1680 Pueblo Revolt. During the next 18 months I worked through the Hopi Cultural Center Museum on Second Mesa, an NGO (although Abbott was on the Board of Directors). The other members of the Board, all adult Wuwutsim initiates, were from all the villages except Moencopi; they included several Wimi and Katsinam priests.
One of the primary things they taught me, particularly in relation to things Hopi, and particularly in relation to the so-called "prophecies," was to know the sources upon which claims of esoteric knowledge were based. [This same precaution was hammered by Alphonso Ortiz of Okay Owingay (San Juan Pueblo), my dissertation advisor.] There were, and are, many bogus claims made by non-initiated (and therefore un-informed) people solely for the purpose of relieving naive Bahanam of their cash.
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Post by jasper4 on Oct 14, 2013 11:14:19 GMT -5
the way of your asking is the issue and all your creds mean for what. I dont know any hopi priests or do you mean catholic and such nuage crap which the hopi and the zuni and the rest in the southwest have endured is documented very well as in sedona etc etc. Back to you am I to be impressed well you seem to want to prove something thus again I stated that a Hopi ELDER had answered my quest to learn so you keep your tude or get off your high horse sides you sound like a gringo. Have a nice life.
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Post by dT on Mar 12, 2017 18:28:26 GMT -5
Jasper4 ... just to let you know. i had a friend many tears ago, an Indian, who served in Marine Recon in Vietnam. his last name was Somera. It has been a very long time ... i dont know what happened to him. he never told me what tribe he belonged to. But he was a very strong warrior ... very very strong.
Best Wishes,
Pete (dT)
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