Delaware culture site

[chicheman]

Interesting culture page of the Delaware Tribe of Indians, OK :


www.delawaretribe.org/home.htm

Gives inside on the old traditional lifestyle of the Lenape people, known also as Delawares, as well as modern life today.
Once living at the eastern Atlantic seabord, in NJ, NY, PA and parts of Delaware state, they had to move repeatedely to western areas, as white settlement extended in that directions more and more. In 1867 they finally moved to NE Oklahoma where they found their final home, their tribal headquarters located there today.
Many tribal members are living in and around Bartlesville, OK, while many others can be found in nearly every other state of the country.


chicheman

[chicheman]

oh, I forgot, on the webpage of :

www.delawaretribe.org/home.htm

go to the links above, right, klick "culture site".

chicheman

[pellethie]

The original people, a river people, our grandfathers

[chicheman]

Hi Pellethie,

yes the Delawares were considered as the grandfather tribe by some related Algonquin tribes.
Am I right that also your own people, the Shawnees, adressed them as the grandfathers ? I guess I was reading somewhere once.
However, it is historical fact that both Shawnees and Lenape are in close contact and allies since over three hundred years. Still close today. It is said that also the Ojibwe, Miamis and maybe Kickapoo and Sac & Foxes etc. adressed the Lenape / Delawares as their grandfathers. Not quite sure as about sources and exact statements.
Do you know more exactly ? Would be glad to learn more about.
You may allow me this question, - are you a member of one of the Oklahoma Shawnee tribes ? Nice to meet a Shawnee member here.

Greetings

chicheman

[pellethie]

Apr 14, 2012 17:26:44 GMT -5 chicheman said:

Hi Pellethie,

yes the Delawares were considered as the grandfather tribe by some related Algonquin tribes.
Am I right that also your own people, the Shawnees, adressed them as the grandfathers ? I guess I was reading somewhere once.
However, it is historical fact that both Shawnees and Lenape are in close contact and allies since over three hundred years. Still close today. It is said that also the Ojibwe, Miamis and maybe Kickapoo and Sac & Foxes etc. adressed the Lenape / Delawares as their grandfathers. Not quite sure as about sources and exact statements.
Do you know more exactly ? Would be glad to learn more about.
You may allow me this question, - are you a member of one of the Oklahoma Shawnee tribes ? Nice to meet a Shawnee member here.

Greetings

chicheman

A slow wandering people can become rather numerous over time. No doubt there were divisions and groups for one reason or another branched off, calling themselves by a different name. In time new dialects are spoken and cultures change due to location.

We have always knew the Lenape as our Grandfathers and there's a pretty good chance they are the Grandfathers of other Algonquian tribal groups as well.

[chicheman]

A slow wandering people can become rather numerous over time. No doubt there were divisions and groups for one reason or another branched off, calling themselves by a different name. In time new dialects are spoken and cultures change due to location.

We have always knew the Lenape as our Grandfathers and there's a pretty good chance they are the Grandfathers of other Algonquian tribal groups as well


Thank you Pellethie.

In John Sugden "The Shawnee in Tecumseh´s Time" I found this, about inter-tribal diplomacy, which gives an interesting view about the Shawnee custom of addressing other people:

Most other tribes where addressed as "younger brother´s" while Iroquois and Wyandot they called "elder brother´s. Kickapoo known as "first brother´s", Sac and Fox "second brother´s" and the Delaware as "grandfather´s". These terms acknowledge the obvious connexion between the Shawnee, Kickapoo, Sac and Fox as evidenced through similarities in Language, and the one-time political leadership of the Iroquois. Shawnees, Delawares and Mingoes established their own council fire about 1747 at Logstown, Ohio and demonstrated their independence of the "old council fire" kept by the Iroquois at Onondaga in New York.
. . . Still later the Wyandot where the keepers of the new council fire.

[pellethie]

And those connections with kin were very important from the 18th century to Tecumseh's time, a time when the Lenape, Sauk, Fox, Kickapoo and Shawano were, or soon to be under assault by the United States. This very much altered their traditional lifestyle and were the last few decades of eastern woodland tribal resistance against the English and Anglo America. By the early 19th century, the Lenape and Shawano were already a defeated people, the bulk of them confined on small reservations within their homelands or else migrated across the Mississippi. At best Tecumseh was hoping to hold together a large enough number of insurgent Shawnee, Potawatomie, Maumee, Sac, Fox , Kickapoo, Lenape, Wyandot(remnant western Huron) and other old northwest tribal hold outs as well as courting alliances the southeastern Muscogee, Cherokee and trans-Mississippian tribes such as the Mdewakanton, and Santee Dakota. The Haudenosaunee flat out refused.

No doubt during these Anglo- eastern Algonquian wars that lasted from the late 16th century to almost the mid 19th century these tribal kinship bonds were relied upon.

By early historical accounts the Lenape were made up of three tribes - Munsee, Unami and the Unalachtigo. By the time they were beginning to be pushed west by the English, the Lenape were already absorbing other exiled remnant coastal Algonquians. The Powhatan tribes and those living along North Carolina's Atlantic coast had long split from the Lenapes and pushed south. There are old legends about how the Shawnee or Shawano originated from the Virginia Powhatan, or else from the North Carolina Chowanoc, both very large tribal groups which very could of experienced divisions where a band or bands could of moved westward, especially during the early 17th century British colonial period. One thing is for certain there were still bands of Shawano living in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley up until the early 18th century. As some of the Lenape became wards of the Haudenosaunee there were mixed feelings between them and the Shawano, as they were mostly at odds with the long house people.

I'm wondering if northeastern Algonquian people such as the Wabinaki were divisions of a southerly Lenape drift and if western Algonquian tribes like the Cheyenne were distant grandchildren as well.

There were Algonquian speaking tribes as far as California and I also wonder if these extreme western Algonquians were some of the earliest split offs from the grandfather's drift eastward.

[chicheman]

Pellethie wrote:

I'm wondering if northeastern Algonquian people such as the Wabinaki were divisions of a southerly Lenape drift and if western Algonquian tribes like the Cheyenne were distant grandchildren as well.

There were Algonquian speaking tribes as far as California and I also wonder if these extreme western Algonquians were some of the earliest split offs from the grandfather's drift eastward.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Pellethie,

yes, I was getting interested in that subject too some time ago and was doing some research.

I´m not quite sure about the Wabanaki. One Lenape story is telling of the migration of the people, coming from the west and ending in the east, Delaware River Valley and seaboard. (Heckewelder).

I found some good thoughts in Karl H. Schlesier, Wolves of the heavens (1985). (Also in Plains Indians a.d. 500 - 1500, of the same author, 1994).
Evidences on archaeological, ethnological and linguistic grounds
support that around 1500 to 1000 before Christ, some Algonquin
groups started to leave their northern home country, being then in what became SE MacKenzie and middle Keewatin-District.
(Cheyenne tradition still speaks of a former homeland long time ago, in the extreme north). The reason why these groups left their homeland was seemingly a climate change, with tree border moving to the south over centuries. Pre-Dorset Eskimo hunters where coming to this area and may have competed with so called Proto-Algonquian groups, or the later might have gone south already earlier, living in the boreal forests. Seemingly some of the most northernly Algonquian groups left first. Linguistic evidence suggests that Cheyenne as well as Blackfoot, as members of the western Algonkins, are the ones most distantly to their parent Proto-Algonquin.
Other groups coming from the west of Hudson Bay moved eastwards thru boreal forests, to the south of Hudson Bay. Those groups may be the forefathers of todays Central-Algonquians like
Shawnee, Potawatomi, Menomini, Sac,Fox, Kickapoo or Miami-Illinois.
Other groups went to the east and became Proto-Eastern-Algonquins, in time moving in a southerly direction along the Atlantic seabord. Snow (1978:60) sees the cultural continuity of the eastern Algonquin in that area, reaching from Pre-history to historic times. Tuck (1978:34) thinks they started their move across the St. Lawrence around 1000 before Christ.
Well known Linguist Ives Goddard (1978 a , b), after an analysis
of the development of the Algonquian Languages agreed with this
interpretation.
There seems to be some problem to determine for sure those western Plains groups known as Arapaho-Atsina and the Suthai.
There is some assuming that the Arapaho-Atsina were once members of the Blackduck-Tradition, named after a certain archaeolog. place. Though not all scholars agree with that.
It seems that Arapaho is closer to central Algonqian dialects than are Blackfeet and Cheyenne, which suggests that Arapaho-Atsina were separating from Proto-Alg. later than Blackf. and Cheyenne.
The same might be true for Suthai, though they are not easy to catch in pre history, still uncertainty about them. What is known is, that Suthaio became allies and a tribal band of the Cheyenne Nation around the mid 18. Century.

[cinemo]

Recently, the Greentown Preservation Association commemorated the bicentennial of the removal and burning
of Greentown - Village ( Ohio ). Greentown was a Delaware Village . It was established as the result of migration
of Native Americans after the Revolutionary War. Delaware, and small groups of Mohawks, Mohegan's, and Mingos,
settled the site as early as 1782. By 1812, it is stated Greentown had more than 150 dwellings. Although considered
peaceful, after the surrender of General William Hull to the British in Detroit in the War of 1812, it was feared the Greentown residents
would aid “unfriendly” Indians. A removal was arranged by militia. The removal is dated sometime between August 27 and September 3, 1812.
Greentown residents were uncertain about what would occur after removal and were hesitant to obey the orders. Chief Armstrong was assured,
through the urging of James Copus, that Greentown's property would be inventoried and protected until peace ensued. However, a faction of
militiamen who "assisted" in the removal stayed behind and set fire to the village. Consequently, the village remained essentially abandoned after
the War of 1812.


www.remarkableohio.org/HistoricalMarker.aspx?historicalMarkerId=551

cinemo from Germany