Post by kingsleybray on Nov 23, 2012 4:11:59 GMT -5
About the family named Horse you mentioned, I don't have any definite identification, but:
Francis Parkman in 1846 travelled with the Southern Oglalas and recorded meeting a young man he calls "our dandy friend 'The Horse', and [also] his younger brother 'The Hail Storm'." These men were nephews of the Lakota wife of trader Antoine Reynal.
In the 1890 Census again, we find a family head aged 30, Ralph Old Horse. The Lakota name Tasunke wicahca means 'Old Man Horse'. He incidentally was one of James R. Walker's informants (see LAKOTA BELIEF AND RITUAL pp 128-29).
Kingsley thank you for your latest post's. It is very helpful.
The next Meat Record I will post is from the Kansas City Archieves and it is VERY hard to read the hand written names so....I will do my best. This is noted from my source, to be a mixture of Sioux and Cheyenne camped near Wounded Knee and unfortunately, has no date attached.
I will place a question mark by names that I am unsure of. The pg. starts with:
# 24 - Three Stars
Sam ? Brown Jack LaPont ? (LaPoint ?) White Rabbit First Walk Saying Bull C. J. Stars Red Cloud Mrs. Red Kettle Guy Three Stars
#25 - Thunder Bull
Ralph Old Horse Wolfskin Belt White Coat Lone Man Jumping Up Young Bull Bear Star *Charging Eagle Iron Goose
# 26 - Spotted Weasel
Sits ? Bear Lone Bear White Eyes Rock Thunder Woman Yellow
[Note] Made corrections to the names: Ralph Old Horse (per Kingsley's Reply # 17), Wolfskin Belt and Jack Lapoint. I hope that this is more accurate now. 11-24-12
Refer.: Kansas City Archieves, Pine Ridge Census (Meat Records), Sioux and Cheyenne camped near Wounded Knee, No Date Listed
" In 1841, the Oglala fought amoung themselves and the Kiyuska band (meaning the cut-offs) seperated from the rest. The Oglala experimented for a time with agriculture when settled with the Arikara and adopted their horticultural economy, but this was cut short when small-pox arrived on the scene. In 1913, James Walker listed seven Oglala bands. Twenty-nine years earlier, the Rev. W. J. Cleveland (1884) enumerated a full 20 bands."
Back on May 4, 2012, I received a pg. 92 from the 1901 Census.
It contains the following about Charging Eagle and his wife;
# 4412 Wanbli Watakpe, Charging Eagle, M, Head, 67 (= b. 1833) # 4413 Gilciyo ?-win, Paints Herself Brown, F, Wife, 59 (= b. 1842)
[Note added]: I believe this was probably a Meat Record (Census)
Also, comparing to the TWELFTH CENSUS OF THE UNTIED STATES. SCHEDULE No. 1 -- POPULATION. INDIAN POPULATION. Pine Ridge Indian Reservation June 27, 1900
Charging Eagle, M, Head, b. Aug. 1833, 66, married 7 yrs. Paints Herself Yellow, F, b. Oct. 1841, 58, married 7 yrs.
[Note added] Therefore, I would say the Meat Record Census was done sometime after August of 1900. Notice, Charging Eagle was Wanbli Watakpe on the Meat Records and age was 67 instead of, 66 as stated on the June 27, 1900 Census. The pg. of which I am referring to, Census of June 27, 1900 also includes, part of the Good Voice Crow family, the Yellow Bull's and Spotted Weasel's families etc..
I believe Charging Eagle was referred to by different Lakota names by different agents etc.. Perhaps some confusion due to, so many Lakota's with the same name and maybe he wanted them to be confused. ??? I don't know. I think Kingsley is right on with his definitions.
Refer's: 1901 Meat Record Census ? Pine Ridge Census June 27, 1900 Rec. from: LaDeane Miller
Last Edit: Nov 23, 2012 18:28:14 GMT -5 by kakarns
The next pg. (5 ?) of Census I will share is probably also, from the Kansas City Archieves. It is titled; Indian Males Above 21 years, 1889.
It is hand written. The English names are easier to read therefore, I will list the # assigned, name and age. However, if you have any questions, I will try to read the Lakota names. I will try to do my best.
# 85 Returns from Scout (Sr.), 45 # 86 Spotted Weasel, 59 # 87 Returns from Scout (Jr.), 23 # 88 Thunder Bull, 40 # 89 White Wolf, 40 # 90 Sand, 45 # 91 White Dress, 50 # 92 Wolf sheds Hair, 39 # 93 White Deer, 31 # 94 Kills Enemy, 34 # 95 Spotted Eagle, 62 # 96 Old Horse, 29 # 97 Bull Bear (Jr.), 33 # 98 He Crow, 51 # 99 Little Bull, 24 # 100 His War, 22 # 101 Charging Eagle, 54 # 102 Seven Rabbits, 52 # 103 Feather Ear ring, 26 # 104 Young Dog, 32 # 105 Little Wound, 58 # 106 Bull Bear (Sr.), 61
[Note]: Charging Eagle's Lakota name is listed as Wam li Watakpe
Post by kingsleybray on Nov 27, 2012 6:55:01 GMT -5
Fascinating details from the Meat Records!. They all seem to pertain to communities in the Medicine Root District near modern Kyle.
On Oglala bands, have you any specific questions? I am currently working on a book about early Lakota history, before 1800, and am trying to trace the history of the bands as part of that project. Some of them - like the Kiyuksa - are very old, and must have existed before Columbus. But new bands were budding off and emerging all the time, so it is a complex and fascinating story to disentangle.
122 # 458 - Wioteri ? Hard Woman, F, da, 20 (something) ? # 459 - Kansu tauka, Big Card, F, mo, 49 # 460 - Can iyuwi, Tough Wood, F, da, 10 # 461 - Wastila, Pretty, M, son, 7 # 462 - Wanbli, Eagle, F, da, 12 ?
[Note]: I apologize, this document, is very hard to read, the right side of the pg. is partially missing and is very dark in some places. Very difficult to read. Could use some help with this one. Especially, with Lakota names and correct translation. Beautiful hand writting but, hard to read.
Per your question; Reply Nov. 27, 2012 "On Oglala bands, have you any specific questions?"
I'm just looking for my relatives. My main research right now is based on people's names contained within a couple of documents. They are: 1.) The people listed on Charging Eagle's Allotment. 2.) The people listed on Her Black Lodge's documents.
If, I knew the parent's of, Her Black Lodge it would hopefully, help me figure out who, Transparent Stone's parents were. Since, they were 1/2 sisters.
I am trying to go back another generation and discover who my G.G.G.G. Grandparents were and if, they were Oglala.
It is pretty obvious that Charging Eagle may have spent a great part of his life with the Oglala's. I do not know which band Transparent Stone and Charging Eagle originated from and if, her and Charging Eagle lived with the Oglala while married, etc. It is documented that they separated before his marriage to All Holy.
Grows Quick (circa 1814 - ), #34147 Grows Quick was born circa 1814.1 He married Starts Fire circa 1833. Child of Grows Quick and Starts Fire Charging Eagle+ b. 1834, d. Dec 19, 1910
Charging Eagle-b. 1834 d. 1910 "Cut Off" Band of Southern Oglala Spouse: Close Together/Transparent Stone b. 1834 d. 1891 Spouse: All Holy b. 1834 d. 1895 Spouse: Paints Yellow b. 1843
He was a Head of Family in Little Wound's Kiyuksa "Cut Off" Band as evidenced in the February 1877 census at Camp Robinson Nebraska "He was disarmed and dismounted in October 1876 by the Army as part of the "break away" bands of Red Cloud, Red Leaf, and Little Wound (and others) that left the Red Cloud Agency area in July and camped along Chadron and Ash Creeks and would not return to the Agency. "--("The Crazy Horse Surrender Ledger" edited by Thomas R Buecker and R Eli Paul).
Children of Charging Eagle and Close Together Daughter: Julia Good Voice Bear+ b. circa 1862, d. 1939 Daughter: Fannie M. Charging Eagle b. Mar, 1864, d. Apr, 1925
Child of Charging Eagle and All Holy Daughter: Close+ b. 1864
Child of Charging Eagle and Paints Yellow Daughter: Eliza Charging Eagle b. Jul, 1879
Julia Good Voice Bear (circa 1862 - 1939), #34159 Her married name was Lily Fireheart Bear. Her married name was Lily Fireheart. Also known as Blue Whirlwind.Julia Good Voice Bear was born circa 1862. She was the daughter of Charging Eagle and Close Together. Julia Good Voice Bear married Samuel M. Terry, in 1878 at Spotted Tail Agency (1874 - 1878). Julia Good Voice Bear married Julian Fire Heart, son of Fire Heart and Crow Eater, in 1887. Julia Good Voice Bear died in 1939.1
Children of Julia Good Voice Bear and Samuel M. Terry Daughter: Josephine Terry+ b. 18801 Daughter: Lily Terry b. 1881, d. after Jun 26, 18971
Fannie M. Charging Eagle (March, 1864 - April, 1925), #34180 Also known as Top Of The Head. Fannie M. Charging Eagle was born in March, 1864. She was the daughter of Charging Eagle and Close Together. Fannie M. Charging Eagle married Daniel Anderson Powell in October, 1878. Fannie M. Charging Eagle died in April, 1925 at age 61.
Close (1864 - ), #34182 Also known as Kiyela. The nationality of Close was Kuhinya Oglala Lakota Sioux.Also known as Aglagla Iyanke. Also known as Runs Along The Edge. Close was born in 1864. She was the daughter of Charging Eagle and All Holy. Another source states that her was also listed with a birthdate in 1865.And yet another source states that her was also listed with a birthdate in 1866.She married Frank Feather circa 1881 She was listed as residing with her husband Frank Feather on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1890 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA.6 She was listed as residing with her husband Frank Feather on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA. She was listed as residing with her husband Frank Feather on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on June 30, 1894 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA.4 She was listed as residing with her husband Frank Feather on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on June 30, 1895 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA.5 She was listed as residing with her husband Frank Feather on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on June 30, 1904 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA.2 Close married Thomas Yellow Thunder after 1927.
Children of Close and Frank Feather Mary Feather b. 1882 Lucy Feather b. 1883, John Feather b. 1885, Daniel Feather b. 1887, Paul Feather b. 1890 Mabel Feather b. 1891 James Feather b. 1893
Eliza Charging Eagle (July, 1879 - ), #34184 The nationality of Eliza Charging Eagle was Oglala Lakota Sioux.Eliza Charging Eagle was born in July, 1879. She was the daughter of Charging Eagle and Paints Yellow. Another source states that her was also listed with a birthdate in 1880. She was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of Paints Yellow on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on July 1, 1892 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA. She was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of Charging Eagle on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on June 30, 1894 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA. She was listed as "daughter" and residing in the home of Charging Eagle on the U.S. Indian Census Rolls taken on June 30, 1895 at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Medicine Root District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA.
Chief Spotted Tail (1823 - 1881), #1594 Sintegaleska, Spotted Tail. Western History/Genealogy Department, Denver Public Library His religious name was Sinte Gleska. The nationality of Chief Spotted Tail was Brule Lakota. was born at White River Region, Dakota Territory, USA, in 1823. His boyhood name was Jumping Buffalo. He became Head chief of the Brule Sioux and member of the Sichangu Band. Spotted Tail was an orphan, reared by his grandparents, and at an early age compelled to shift for himself. Thus he was somewhat at a disadvantage among the other boys; yet even this fact may have helped to develop in him courage and ingenuity. One little incident of his boy life, occurring at about his tenth year, is characteristic of the man. In the midst of a game, two boys became involved in a dispute which promised to be a serious one, as both drew knives. The young Spotted Tail instantly began to cry, "The Shoshones are upon us! To arms! to arms!" and the other boys joined in the war whoop. This distracted the attention of the combatants and ended the affair. Upon the whole, his boyhood is not so well remembered as is that of most of his leading contemporaries, probably because he had no parents to bring him frequently before the people, as was the custom with the wellborn, whose every step in their progress toward manhood was publicly announced at a feast given in their honor. It is known, however, that he began at an early age to carve out a position for himself. It is personal qualities alone that tell among our people, and the youthful Spotted Tail gained at every turn. At the age of seventeen, he had become a sure shot and a clever hunter; but, above all, he had already shown that he possessed a superior mind. He had come into contact with white people at the various trading posts, and according to his own story had made a careful study of the white man's habits and modes of thought, especially of his peculiar trait of economy and intense desire to accumulate property. He was accustomed to watch closely and listen attentively whenever any of this strange race had dealings with his people. When a council was held, and the other young men stood at a distance with their robes over their faces so as to avoid recognition, Spotted Tail always put himself in a position to hear all that was said on either side, and weighed all the arguments in his mind..He was the son of Tangle Hair and Walks With Pipe. Chief Spotted Tail married Black Lodge, Chief Spotted Tail married Hears Horse, after 1843. He married Susie Yellow Horse after 1848. He served in the military during war time on August 19, 1854.3 He served in the military during war time in 1855. Chief Spotted Tail witnessed the meeting of Chief Dull Knife; The Treaty of Fort Laramie was an agreement between the United States and the Lakota nation, signed in 1868 at Fort Laramie in the Wyoming Territory, guaranteeing to the Lakota ownership of the Black Hills, and further land and hunting rights in South Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana. The Powder River Country was to be henceforth closed to all whites. The treaty ended Red Cloud's War. The treaty included articles intended to "insure the civilisation" of the Lakota; financial incentives for them to farm land and become competitive - and stipulations that minors should be provided with an "English education" at a "mission building". To this end the US government included in the treaty that white teachers, blacksmiths and a farmer, a miller, a carpenter, an engineer and a government agent should take up residence within the reservation. Repeated violations of the otherwise exclusive rights to the land by gold prospectors led to the Black Hills War.
General George Crook stands next to Spotted Tail, he is proclaiming him Chief of all Sioux, Red Cloud Agency, Dakota Territory. Native American Sioux (Oglala) including chiefs Red Cloud and Red Leaf, stand with U. S. soldiers. By Stanley J. Morrow. Western History/Genealogy Department, Denver Public Library died in 1881 at Rosebud Indian Reservation, Rosebud, Todd Co., South Dakota, USA. But, alas, this great chief with all this ability, had one great fault. Although he had several wives, he still had an eye for other women. He incurred the jealousy of the crippled Medicine Bear when he took Medicine Bear's wife and thus gave his enemies the opportunity they needed. Many of his tribe had disagreeded with his policy of peace, although he had obtained better deals with the government than other tribes had obtained. There was jealousy too because of the honors bestowed on him. Because of these political overtones it was easy for Black Crow, to arouse Crow Dog. He had been head of the Indian police and recently lost his position. At the instigation of Black Crow, who wanted to be chief, Crow Dog shot and killed Spotted Tail at Rosebud in 1882. Black Crow and Crow Dog were taken to Deadwood to be tried and they were sentence to be hung. But later the United States Supreme Court decided that the United States courts had no jurisdiction over an Indian killing another Indian on Indian land and the men were freed..8
Children of Chief Spotted Tail Stays at Home b. circa 1850 Little Scout b. circa 1850 Bugler b. circa 1850 Talks with Bears b. circa 1850
Children of Chief Spotted Tail and Susie Yellow Horse Fleet Foot b. circa 1855, d. 1866 Ahhoappa b. circa 1855
(5-128), 1892, CENSUS of the Sioux., Indians of Medicine Root District, S. D., Agency, Pine Ridge Agency, S.D.
NO., INDIAN NAME, ENGLISH NAME, SEX, RELATION, AGE
[Note]: They must of had another list to refer to for their Indian names because, under the column for Indian names, they only give reference to a number. ? (With the exception of, the "Chips" families. They are all listed as being from the Rosebud Agency.) Special attention is drawn to this CENSUS due to; All of the these families had a ink stamp between the Indian Name column and the English Name column which, states; "BAD CONDITION" Again, I will do my best reading of this hand written document and a "?" is placed next to, things hard to read.
-1516- #782 - 5353, Charging Eagle, M, H, 58 #783 - 5354, All Over, F, W, 59 #784 - 5355, Wm One Feather, M, Gr son, 11
-1517- #785 - 5356, Marks Spider, M, H, 29 #786 - 5357, Yel Heart, F, W, 28 #787 - 5358, Lucy, F, Da, 6 #788 - 5359, Jessie, F, Da, 2
-1518- #789 - 5360, Mary Wasu or, Hail, F, Mother, 69 ? #790 - 5361, Mary Ice, F, Da, 28
-1519- #791 - 5362, Top Bear, M, H, 64 #792 - 5363, Shakes Hands, F, W, 58
-1520- #793 - 5364, Two Crows, M, H, 40 #794 - 5365, Prairie Dog, F, W, 30 #795 - 5366, Sore Face, F, Da, 14 #796 - 5367, Johnny, M, Son, 11 #797 - 5368, Talks with Lightning, M, Son, 8 #798 - 5369, Comes to Hunt Them, F, Da, 6 #799 - 5370, Shows Whip Moon, M, Son, 4
-1521- #800 - Rosebud Agency, Chips, M, H, 55 #801 - ", Feels All Around, F, W, 43 ? #803 - ", Wants Him, F, Da, 13 #804 - ", Takes Away Two, F, Da, 11 #805 - ", Makes Room, M, Son, 11
-1522- #805 - Rosebud Agency, Jefferson Chips, M, Son, 21
K Karns thanks for your research from your cousin J Oetker. I have often wondered about who Fannie's parents were. I was playing around on the net and googled Grandma Ruby's name and ran across this amazing web site. I hope to hear from you.
J Oetker - Glad to hear from you cousin. My lineage/research project started many years ago. I have become addicted. Partially because, for every answer I find, it raises several more questions. It also, didn't take me long to figure out that, this work is much harder than, I expected. I now realize, my work has become part of my life and my work, may never actually be done. I have too much pride, to give up.
I have been very fortunate through this research, to have met several family members and friends whom, some are on this wonderful site.
Hopefully, I will be posting more information soon.