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Post by kakarns on Apr 8, 2018 1:25:37 GMT -5
I have been asking myself these questions lately; 1.) What if, there was a type "O" in the "Spotted Tail Widow # 2" Estate Record ? This question sticks in my mind for several reasons. This is the part of the Estate Record where I think, there may be an error/type "O".;
a.) "Fannie M. Powell, dau. of prior dec. half-sis. Transparent Stone"
ADDITIONAL Info. and Comments; I have searched and searched until, I am blue in the face, for Transparent Stone. The ONLY woman that I have ever found that would come close to that name is a woman by the name of; Transparent. However, this Transparent would have been born circa; 1809-11. So then, after finding a few clues and hints in another direction, I started to consider this possibility; 1.) Maybe the Estate Record should have stated this; a.) "Fannie M. Powell, granddaughter of prior dec. half-sis. Transparent Stone" b.) Maybe the woman, Transparent Stone was Charging Eagle's - Mother - instead of being one of his wives.
2.) Here's a couple of the hints/clues; a.) For whatever reason the female named; Transparent Stone was never mentioned in the Charging Eagle Probate nor, have I ever found a Census Record with Charging Eagle and Transparent Stone, listed together. (Something is not right here. It sure seems that way !) b.) Elbert Chief was related to Tobacco. c.) Elbert Chief was related to Foolish Woman.
So, I started to research Tobacco and Foolish Woman. One of the Tobacco's I found (per Census, not sure of year, I think...1890-92), was born circa; 1809. This Census also, lists a son of Tobacco who, was also named; Tobacco. I remember being in shock when, I saw a woman named; Transparent b. circa; 1809, listed with Tobacco b. circa 1809. Here is part of the families listing on that pg. of Census:
#291 1122 - Canli - Tobacco - m - fat - 81 - b. 1809 [calculated birth dates by; kakarns] 1123 - Ta sunki - Her Horse - f - wife - 47 - b. 1843 1124 - Mato ska - White Bear - m - son - 23 - b. 1867 1125 - Cipa - Fat - m - son - 16 - b. 1874 1126 Ho Waste - Good Voice - f - da - 8 - b. 1882
#292 1127 - Sina Luta - Red Blanket - m - son - 33 - b. 1857 1128 - Canli - Tobacco - m - bro - 37 - b. 1853 1129 - Janjanyila - Transparent - f - mot - 81 - b. 1809
I will try to post more in the near future. It may be best to start some new threads concerning these people.
Refer: LaDeanne Miller files Tanya Myself
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Post by kakarns on Apr 14, 2018 21:34:56 GMT -5
Re: Foolish Woman So far, I have found 3 American Indians with this name. It will take me a while to put my notes together but, I'm getting there. One Census I reviewed recently, lists two Females with that name, on the same page and they are approximately 6 years apart in age.
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Post by kakarns on Apr 14, 2018 22:46:04 GMT -5
Before I call it a night, I feel the need to say a few things. 1.) Thank you American Tribes. Thank you for everything. 2.) I have to admit something. Since, I have always considered myself somewhat of a straight shooter. So, here it goes...bottom lining it. I buried myself in my lineage research to stay sober. Doing my research and having the freedom of sharing it here, on American Tribes has given me much pride. Research saved my life. Truth. 3.) My Grandparent's - Lester W. & Ruby M. Karns, left South Dakota in the year 1938. I believe at that time, they already had 8 children. I truly believe that my Grandpa, Lester W. Karns loaded his family up and headed to Missouri to farm, only because, he was trying to survive and keep his family fed. 4.) My Grandma Ruby was Charging Eagle's, Great Granddaughter. 5.) Lester and Ruby Karns, moved to Iowa in 1942 to pursue farming with his Father, Clarence E. Karns.
Thank you for reading my posts. kakarns
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Post by kingsleybray on Apr 16, 2018 5:29:38 GMT -5
Always great and inspirational to hear from you, kim
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Post by Karla on Apr 21, 2018 8:53:19 GMT -5
I had the honor of meeting Dave Yakima Chief at a gathering in Bristol Connecticut in 1997. Dave gave a talk about the Lakota people and he spoke about a vision that he had during one of his vision quests. In the vision he said that he went to a valley that was filled with people of all different colors. He was looking for the Lakota people. Someone spoke to him and said the Lakota people are hard to find. Then Dave told us that some of the Lakota may be back today but not necessarily in red bodies. After his talk he did a prayer ceremony around a fire for Mother Earth. He touched those at the gathering with a stick that had eagle feathers on one end and a buffalo tail on the other end. I was moved by his humbleness, openness and kindness. During the gathering that night the deep feeling of Mitakuye Oyasin was present.
Thank you Kim for bringing him to my mind. I wish the best for you and everyone here in all the struggles of life. May the love that connects us all, help us on our journeys.
With Respect, Karla
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Post by Mike on Apr 21, 2018 23:16:28 GMT -5
Before I call it a night, I feel the need to say a few things. 1.) Thank you American Tribes. Thank you for everything. 2.) I have to admit something. Since, I have always considered myself somewhat of a straight shooter. So, here it goes...bottom lining it. I buried myself in my lineage research to stay sober. Doing my research and having the freedom of sharing it here, on American Tribes has given me much pride. Research saved my life. Truth. 3.) My Grandparent's - Lester W. & Ruby M. Karns, left South Dakota in the year 1938. I believe at that time, they already had 8 children. I truly believe that my Grandpa, Lester W. Karns loaded his family up and headed to Missouri to farm, only because, he was trying to survive and keep his family fed. 4.) My Grandma Ruby was Charging Eagle's, Great Granddaughter. 5.) Lester and Ruby Karns, moved to Iowa in 1942 to pursue farming with his Father, Clarence E. Karns. Thank you for reading my posts. kakarns kakarns I'm a new member, having spent months reading many threads on here before joining and I'm still finding new ones that are great to read, your story is very interesting. Please keep updating. If you ever decide to write about your research methods and sources and the mistakes, if any, that you learned from, I'd love to hear about it. What part of Missouri may I ask did they settle in? I have family south of Rolla that has been there since 1876. Into that German and Scottish line came my grandmother from Oklahoma as an orphan and one of her only memories of her mother was that she was native, it was obvious with my grandmother's olive skin, dark hair and the proverbial high cheekbones. This was enough circumstantial evidence for the family to believe we had a little Native American blood. It's since been confirmed, but I want to find all those storylines to their recorded endings, all the names, places, bands, relations. Reading a thread such as yours is very motivating, thank you
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Post by kakarns on Apr 22, 2018 20:52:36 GMT -5
Thank you Kingsley Bray ! Your input/help, is always appreciated. You do amazing work.
Hello Ghost Eagle. Thank you for the kind words. I will try to write more, later this week. (I have been quite busy.)
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Post by kakarns on May 6, 2018 5:20:23 GMT -5
I had the honor of meeting Dave Yakima Chief at a gathering in Bristol Connecticut in 1997. Dave gave a talk about the Lakota people and he spoke about a vision that he had during one of his vision quests. In the vision he said that he went to a valley that was filled with people of all different colors. He was looking for the Lakota people. Someone spoke to him and said the Lakota people are hard to find. Then Dave told us that some of the Lakota may be back today but not necessarily in red bodies. After his talk he did a prayer ceremony around a fire for Mother Earth. He touched those at the gathering with a stick that had eagle feathers on one end and a buffalo tail on the other end. I was moved by his humbleness, openness and kindness. During the gathering that night the deep feeling of Mitakuye Oyasin was present. Thank you Kim for bringing him to my mind. I wish the best for you and everyone here in all the struggles of life. May the love that connects us all, help us on our journeys. With Respect, Karla Karla, Great to hear from you ! You were fortunate to have known Dave and your memories of him sound like very spiritual and very cool memories. I regret not ever having/getting the chance to meet my relative Dave Yakima Chief. I have been fortunate to read about some of Dave's lifetime accomplishments. Learning and discovering some of my family history, would not have ever been possible without..., Dave's willingness to share family information with, a few selected individuals. I am so thankful. Unfortunately, Dave had walked on, before I even had the chance to contact him and discuss whether, he would like to meet in person sometime, etc.. If, you would ever want to share more memories about Dave, I would love to hear them. Sorry, it took so long to respond. With Kind Regards, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Aug 31, 2018 23:11:24 GMT -5
Well, I have never had the time to get back to "Foolish Woman" but, I'm working on it. I mean, trying to find the time to work on it. However, first..., I would like to mention some other point of interest concerning; "Little Chief". I have found a note concerning that there was a, Little Chief b. 1823.
*Little Chief was listed as one of the sons of, "Bull Tail". [One of the Principal Chiefs]; in 1840. Also known As, "Hollow Horn Bear".
Are there threads on the above mentioned, as of yet ?
Ref: LaDeane Miller files
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Post by kakarns on Aug 31, 2018 23:18:17 GMT -5
Sub note from last post - (cont.):
Little Chief may have been married to Womans Back (aka,) "Over The Ridge". "Iron Shell" was a brother to Little Chief. Other siblings may have included; "Lizzie" & "Goes To War". Also, noted; Is - a person named "Grease". Little Wound, was married to a woman named; Grease b.1836.
{Other notes on - Iron Shell};
Per: Mary Brave Bird, author of "Ohitika Woman".
Iron Shell had seven sons. Bear Dog, Hollow Horn Bear, Peter Iron Shell, Bird Necklace, He Frightens, Pretty Bird and Steven Brave Bird - Mary's Great Grandfather.
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Post by kakarns on Aug 31, 2018 23:55:30 GMT -5
I'm really going to reach out here. I have a personal request if, I may, I would like to ask; If, any of my family is, reading this and you have the name; "Little Horse" (aka,) "Young Dog", would you please contact me.
Thank you,
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Post by kingsleybray on Sept 1, 2018 1:54:46 GMT -5
hi Kim, interesting details indeed. I can't help with Young Dog, but I am working on the Bull Tail-Iron Shell connection. Do I understand you right that Mary Crow Dog says that Little Chief was one of Bull Tail's sons?
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Post by kakarns on Sept 1, 2018 8:07:49 GMT -5
Hello Kingsley, The notes I have on Little Chief b. circa 1823, came from some LaDeane Miller files.
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Post by yellowwolf's on Oct 19, 2018 5:20:27 GMT -5
I feel the need to try to write some sort of, small... "Summary To Date/Theory". For many years now, I've been trying to solve the mystery of, where my American Indian Ancestor's "Place of Origin" may have been. Where did we come from, back 6 Generations ago (200+yrs.) TIME FRAME OF THEORY - 1830'S to 1868 ; 1.) I have felt for time now that at least, Charging Eagle's Mother - "Starts Fire" and her family may have originated in the Minnesota or North Dakota, U.S.A. area. a.) Please, read #3.) below which, is from one of my post above. Dated; Oct. 8, 2017. 3.) Cheyenne research, Source - "Access Genealogy" website/part of a larger collection called "Indian Tribes of North American", states some of the following: a.) " A little later they seem to have moved to the neighborhood of Lake Traverse and still later part of them occupied a stockade town on the Sheyenne River of North Dakota near the present Lisbon, N. Dak." b.)"When Bent's Fort was built on the upper Arkansas in 1832 a large part decided to establish themselves near it but the rest continued to rove about the headwaters of the North Platte and the Yellowstone. This separation in the tribe was made permanent by the Treaty of Fort Laramie in 1851, the two sections being known respectively as Southern Cheyenne and Northern Cheyenne. In the meantime they had met and formed an alliance with the Arapaho, though there is no memory of the date or the circumstances." Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1411/charging-eagle-lakota?page=8#ixzz4vTK2XWYw1.b.) Charging Eagle and parents possibly arrived and settled in the state of Colorado, U.S.A. circa 1832. [NOTE]:Charging Eagle b. 1832 stated on the 1910 Census that he and his Mother were born in North Dakota but, his Father - "Grows Quick" was born in Colorado, U.S.A.. 1.c.) Charging Eagle had daughter, (my G.G. Grandmother), "Top Of The Head" b. March, 1864. Birth location; Rocky Ford, Colorado, U.S.A.. [NOTE]: Rocky Ford, Colorado was only approximately...40 miles N.W. of, "Bent's" Fort/Trading post. 2.a.) While Charging Eagle lived in Colorado, he may have been camped with the Cheyenne's. Including, Chief Yellow Wolf. 2.b.) Sometime during the time frame of the 1864 "Sand Creek Massacre" is when, I think Charging Eagle and family may have joined the camp of, "Chief Little Wound". 2.c.) Next, Charging Eagle and family settled at Medicine Root Creek near Kyle, South Dakota in circa 1868. Laters, kakarns
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Post by yellowwolf's on Oct 19, 2018 5:41:50 GMT -5
Transcribing a Kansas City National Archives document, a Pine Ridge beef record from about 1889 - there's no date on it. Here is another beef issue group of 31 people Sitting Bear 6 [people] David Wolf Shed Hair 5 Frank Feather 6 Yellow Wolf 4 Bear Clown 2 Bear Runner 3 Chas Two Tails 2 Hawk 3 [total] 31
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