Karla
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Post by Karla on Dec 14, 2018 13:18:20 GMT -5
To kakarns
In case you haven't seen it, there is a youtube video called Wisdom Keepers: Transmissions & Ceremonies with Lakota elders Joseph Flying By, Leroy Curly and your relative Dave Chief
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Post by kakarns on May 9, 2019 7:11:00 GMT -5
Karla - I have not been on the Site for awhile. Thank you very much for sharing the video link. I started watching it this morning but, had to leave for work. I will finish watching it sometime today. Ah yes, "The Red Road".
Thanks again, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Jun 16, 2019 2:42:49 GMT -5
The other day, I stumbled across this information.; Hinhan Wicasa (Owl Man) Brought His Dead Son Back to Life after Three Days One of the stories that my beloved father, Mato Gi, (Brown Bear) recounted to me, on many occasions was about his Grandfather Tipi Sapa, (Black Lodge), Philip Deloria, and his Great-Grandfather, Hinhan Wicasa (Owl Man). The story has always haunted me with deep meaning, inspiration, and mystery. It had a direct impact on my father, who was raised by his Grandfather Tipi Sapa and impacts on all of Hinhan Wicasa and Tipi Sapa's descendants, including my sister, myself and our children and grandchildren. It was not known outside our family until my Uncle Vine Deloria Jr. recounted this true story in, āSinging for a Spirit āin 1999. From my perspective, it reflects the latent, restorative spiritual power in the" Soulā of all members of the Human Family. It is with understanding and purpose I share it with you now. āIn 1856, when Tipi Sapa was about three years old, Hinhan Wicasa had to go on a long trip. When he returned, the women were all wailing and mutilating themselves. Hinhan Wicasa immediately knew that a relative had died. When Hinhan Wicasa asked the women, who died they cried harder and ran away from him. He entered his tipi and found his beloved son's lifeless body laid out on a buffalo robe. Tipi Sapa had caught a fever and, in spite of the best the people could do, had passed away the day before Hinhan Wicasa returned. Hinhan Wicasa stayed inside the tipi for a long time. People heard his terrible cries of grief, but no one dared to go in and talk with him. Hinhan Wicasa had named my Grandfather, Tipi SapaāBlack Lodgeāas a dedication to a black tipi that was one of the critical dimensions of a life-changing vision he had received on Medicine Butte. It through his spiritual experience within a Tipi Sapa, a Black Lodge, that Hinhan Wicasa received his healing gifts and witnessed the future of more than four generations of his descendants. Now, with the death of his beloved son, his hopes for the future seemed to be futile. Hinhan Wicasa finally emerged from the tipi, his arms, and legs bloody with knife wounds of grief, carrying Tipi Sapa's body in his arms. He mounted his grey horse and rode off to a high hill, where he dismounted and began to pray. All night and all the next day Hinhan Wicasa sat there singing lamentations with his beloved son's body in his arms. Hinhan Wicasa spoke very gruffly with the Thunders. Hinhan Wicasa boldly said that he had done everything they had asked and told them that they could take anything of his except his beloved son. Hinhan Wicasa pleaded that they return him. Just about sundown, the people looked anxiously toward the hill, wondering if Hinhan Wicasa was going to spend another night and day there, and also wondering how they would get Tipi Sapaās body away from him, they could proceed with the burial. To their surprise, they saw Hinhan Wicasa walking down the hill, hand in hand, with Tipi Sapa, the grey horse trailing behind them. No one spoke a word as the two walked into the tipi and sat down. Finally, one of the women prepared some food and broth for them, and the spell was broken. My father said that after this demonstration of his powers, people became afraid of Hinhan Wicasa. Among some of his relatives of the Magaska Ptesan Wicoti (White Swan Camp), there was a strong sense of alienation because it was evident that Hinhan Wicasa significantly favored Tipi Sapa.ā Vine Deloria Jr., Singing for a Spirit refer's: Phil Lane Jr Greg D. Facebook Vine Deloria Jr., Singing for a Spirit Comments by; kakarns: I was very shocked to see, the name; "Black Lodge" mentioned. I researched that name years ago but, couldn't find much at that time. I am very curious to know if, the Black Lodge mentioned in the article above and the female named; "Black Lodge" whom, was my relative that, married Chief Spotted Tail, were closely related. [NOTE:] a.) Please, refer to; amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1645/spotted-tail-widow-2 for more info., that I have shared on; Black Lodge. b.) Phil Lane Jr shared a photo along with, the information above, on his FB page. Closing: I could sure use some help on this topic if, anyone would be willing. Thank You ! kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Jun 16, 2019 3:48:53 GMT -5
When, referring to my relative Black Lodge, b. 4-18-1819 d.3-5-1911, I thought I should mention the following;
a.) Black Lodge per Allotment is (aka) "Her Black Lodge" b.) Black Lodge per Rosebud Estate Record is (aka) "Spotted Tails Widow #2"
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Post by kakarns on Sept 8, 2019 10:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by kakarns on Sept 15, 2019 8:51:09 GMT -5
Before I call it a night, I feel the need to say a few things. 1.) Thank you American Tribes. Thank you for everything. 2.) I have to admit something. Since, I have always considered myself somewhat of a straight shooter. So, here it goes...bottom lining it. I buried myself in my lineage research to stay sober. Doing my research and having the freedom of sharing it here, on American Tribes has given me much pride. Research saved my life. Truth. 3.) My Grandparent's - Lester W. & Ruby M. Karns, left South Dakota in the year 1938. I believe at that time, they already had 8 children. I truly believe that my Grandpa, Lester W. Karns loaded his family up and headed to Missouri to farm, only because, he was trying to survive and keep his family fed. 4.) My Grandma Ruby was Charging Eagle's, Great Granddaughter. 5.) Lester and Ruby Karns, moved to Iowa in 1942 to pursue farming with his Father, Clarence E. Karns. Thank you for reading my posts. kakarns kakarns I'm a new member, having spent months reading many threads on here before joining and I'm still finding new ones that are great to read, your story is very interesting. Please keep updating. If you ever decide to write about your research methods and sources and the mistakes, if any, that you learned from, I'd love to hear about it. What part of Missouri may I ask did they settle in? I have family south of Rolla that has been there since 1876. Into that German and Scottish line came my grandmother from Oklahoma as an orphan and one of her only memories of her mother was that she was native, it was obvious with my grandmother's olive skin, dark hair and the proverbial high cheekbones. This was enough circumstantial evidence for the family to believe we had a little Native American blood. It's since been confirmed, but I want to find all those storylines to their recorded endings, all the names, places, bands, relations. Reading a thread such as yours is very motivating, thank you Technology is not my strongest skill. Sorry, it took me forever to respond Ghost Eagle. My biggest weakness in doing my research is, not taking time to be more organized with my files and notes. Right now, additional issue's occur due to Microsoft telling me I need to purchase a new "Office Software". Until I do, I cannot even open files which, I created with the old (trial) software. Thank you for your kind words and good luck in your research. Respectfully, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 2:58:32 GMT -5
Couldn't sleep this a.m. so, did somemore research concerning the Elbert Chief (married Hattie Fills the Pipe) connection to the "Red Dog" family.
Samuel Red Dog (2):
58. Fannie4 Bissonette (Peter3, Julia2 Hebert, Chief Day1), born Aug 1887 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 2 Feb 1930 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Samuel Red Dog, born 1890 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Red Dog (---) and White Cow (---). Notes for Fannie Bissonette 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge Notes for Samuel Red Dog 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge
Children of Fannie Bissonette and Samuel Red Dog were as follows: 168 i Huron5 Red Dog, born 3 Jun 1909 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. + 169 ii Esther5 Red Dog, born 6 Jan 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 9 Jul 1959 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Jonas Wilson Brave Heart. 170 iii Irene5 Red Dog, born 27 Apr 1915 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 171 iv Virginia5 Red Dog, born 4 Dec 1919 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 172 v Peter5 Red Dog, born 30 Sep 1922 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. 173 vi Norah5 Red Dog, born 28 Jul 1926 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota.
Refer: Tanya LaDeane
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Post by kakarns on Sept 16, 2019 3:12:35 GMT -5
Red Dog (2) Cont.: More on one of Samuel Red Dog's daughters, Esther:
169. Esther5 Red Dog (Fannie4 Bissonette, Peter3, Julia2 Hebert, Chief Day1), born 6 Jan 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 9 Jul 1959 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Jonas Wilson Brave Heart, born 4 Feb 1910 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Joseph Brave Heart and Alice (---). Notes for Esther Red Dog 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge Notes for Jonas Wilson Brave Heart 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 30 Jun 1829 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge
Children of Esther Red Dog and Jonas Wilson Brave Heart were as follows: 373 i Wilson Jones6 Brave Heart, born 7 Sep 1936 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Notes: 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge
Refer: LaDeane
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Mike
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Former name was Ghost Eagle
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Post by Mike on Sept 21, 2019 21:50:13 GMT -5
I'm a new member, having spent months reading many threads on here before joining and I'm still finding new ones that are great to read, your story is very interesting. Please keep updating. If you ever decide to write about your research methods and sources and the mistakes, if any, that you learned from, I'd love to hear about it. What part of Missouri may I ask did they settle in? I have family south of Rolla that has been there since 1876. Into that German and Scottish line came my grandmother from Oklahoma as an orphan and one of her only memories of her mother was that she was native, it was obvious with my grandmother's olive skin, dark hair and the proverbial high cheekbones. This was enough circumstantial evidence for the family to believe we had a little Native American blood. It's since been confirmed, but I want to find all those storylines to their recorded endings, all the names, places, bands, relations. Reading a thread such as yours is very motivating, thank you Technology is not my strongest skill. Sorry, it took me forever to respond Ghost Eagle. My biggest weakness in doing my research is, not taking time to be more organized with my files and notes. Right now, additional issue's occur due to Microsoft telling me I need to purchase a new "Office Software". Until I do, I cannot even open files which, I created with the old (trial) software. Thank you for your kind words and good luck in your research. Respectfully, kakarns No, worries I often go months without logging in as well haha. I use Open Office instead of Microsoft Office, it does all the same things, it can open all the same files and save them as the same. It comes with the whole suite of applications and it is 100% free and has free support forums. www.openoffice.org/
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Post by kakarns on Sept 22, 2019 4:41:10 GMT -5
Ghost Eagle - Thank you for the website info.. I will give that a try. To answer your question about, what part of Missouri my Grandparent's moved to when they left SD, it was Mexico, MO. I will send Dietmar a photo to share. It's the only one I have from when, they relocated. kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Sept 22, 2019 6:40:29 GMT -5
In the photo above; My Grandfather Lester W. Karns and his 9 children. My Father Carlton E. Karns is the young man to the far left. He was the oldest son out of the 6 sons born to Lester W. Karns and Ruby M. Rousseau/Karns. Dad would have been 8 yrs. of age when they moved to Mexico, MO. However, they lived there until 1942. They youngest child (Rita Mae) was born in 1940 and is the baby that, my Aunt Betty is holding in the photo. Therefore, I have to date the photo abt. 1940 and also, my Father's age would have been 10 yrs. old in this photo.
Grandma Ruby told me once; "I washed diapers by hand for 11 1/2 years straight !" Also; "Whenever your Grandpa threw his bib overalls over the end of the bed..., I knew I was in trouble !!!" LOL
I have decided due to privacy issue and (identity theft) issues, to take the time and re-due (simplify) my family chart and repost it when completed.
Ok. I'm done editing;
Children of Lester and Ruby Rousseau/Karns: Betty b. 1928 Carlton b. 1930 Lawrence (Larry) b. 1931 Margaret b. 1933 Kenneth (Kenny) b. 1934 Stanely (Stan) b. 1935 Richard (Dick) b. 1936 Albert (Britt) b. 1939 Rita b. 1940
Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Oct 13, 2019 6:02:27 GMT -5
For the past several days, I have been continuing my research on a couple of clues or, hints that are important to me but, have always been in question.:
1.) A copy of the family photo which, shows my G.G. Grandparents - Daniel A. Powell Sr. and Pecokanwin (aka, Top Of The Head). I believe my Grandma Ruby M. Rousseau/Karns received her copy of this photo from one of her LaBeau cousins. On the back of the photo there is a handwritten note. If, I remember right, it was stated that, my Aunt Margaret wrote the note. I think the information contained in the note, was passed onto my Grandmother by a (unknown to me) relative. The statement says that my G.G. Grandmother - Pecokanwin was a niece of; Chief Sitting Bull.
2.) In the book titled; "Warpath" by; Stanely Vestal a.) In this book, it states that nearly 1,000 Indians rode out with Chief Crazy Horse, (attack on Fort Phil Kearney) including, White Bull's relatives. Included in the list of names that Vestal mentions concerning White Bull's relatives is; Feather Earring and Charging Eagle. b.) In the Census Pine Ridge Agency Indian Males Above 21 years (of age), dated 1889; Feather Earring is listed at age 26. Therefore, born abt. 1863-64. Charging Eagle is also listed on the same page, at age 54. Therefore, b. abt. 1834-35. Both of these men's ages, match my relatives. c.) In later Census such as; The Medicine Rook Creek Census of 1893, shows that Feather Earring (Ear Ring) was changed to; Frank Feather, at age 34. (Frank Feather married Charging Eagle's daughter - Close d.) In the Charging Eagle Probate, his daughter - Close is listed as Close Feather Ear Ring.
3.)Next, I referred to a copy of the; "Calico Winter Count Group, Migration 1825-77. a.) This is a old map and is broken down into the following catigories which, uses different colored lines such as; Migration Phases; 1825-34 (green), 1835-54 (red), 1855-70 (blue), 1871-77 (black dashed line) b.) On my copy of the map, I have been trying to add information such as; state names, Fort names, river names, etc., to help me continue my research. c. Now if, we refer back to the information stated in Vestal's book, "Warpath" it matches the Migration map almost, exact for that time frame of 1867 and matches the migration south of Ft. Reno.
4.) I then started to reflect back on the location of my G.G. Grandmother's birthplace which, was Rocky Ford, CO. a.) Pecokanwin was born in 1864. This was the same year as the "Sand Creek Massacre". Not to mention, all of the new settlers heading west and gold mining. Therefore, I started to realize that Charging Eagle may have been one of the Lakota who headed north or, northeast after the Sand Creek Massacre. I can't recall at the moment but, I think that topic was covered in one of the books about George Bent. It was also mentioned that the "Dog Soldiers" were camped not too far away during this same time frame. b.) I would like to mention at this time that, Rocky Ford, Co was not very far away from George Bent's Trading Post. c.) It has been stated that, in 1851, the "Cut Off's" separated from the Oglala. During this time, the Migration map shows that, some of the Lakota were staying in Colorado. It is unknown to me as to when/what year, Charging Eagle joined the Cut Off's.
Closing Comments:
It was stated by Ladonna Brave Bull (here on the Boards), Chief White Bull may have been married at least 19 times. For many years, I was only considering and searching for the proof of; my G.G. Grandmother being a direct relative of Chief Sitting Bull himself and not considering the family connection may be with one of his (S.B.) sister's, etc.. With only two sister's listed that I am aware of, it makes it difficult.
More and more clues/hints, lead me to believe Charging Eagle was originally, Minniconju. Perhaps, the strongest clue was a quote from Dewey Beard in which, he stated he was going to settle in Pine Ridge next to some other Minniconju. If, my memory serves me correctly, there is only approx. 4 miles between the Charging Eagle Allotment and the Dewey Beard Allotment.
Refer: Stanley Vestal's book; "Warpath" LaDeanne Miller files American Tribes website Calico Winter Count Group Migration 1825-77 [source ?] Pine Ridge Census self
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Post by kakarns on Oct 14, 2019 3:25:51 GMT -5
Red Dog (2) Cont.: More on one of Samuel Red Dog's daughters, Esther: 169. Esther5 Red Dog (Fannie4 Bissonette, Peter3, Julia2 Hebert, Chief Day1), born 6 Jan 1912 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota; died 9 Jul 1959 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. She married Jonas Wilson Brave Heart, born 4 Feb 1910 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota, son of Joseph Brave Heart and Alice (---). Notes for Esther Red Dog 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge Notes for Jonas Wilson Brave Heart 30 Jun 1915 Pine Ridge 30 Jun 1829 Pine Ridge 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge Children of Esther Red Dog and Jonas Wilson Brave Heart were as follows: 373 i Wilson Jones6 Brave Heart, born 7 Sep 1936 in Pine Ridge, Shannon, South Dakota. Notes: 1 Jan 1937 Pine Ridge Refer: LaDeane kakarns While reviewing this information concerning Samuel (sp?)Red Dog, I can't help but to think the following: It is very possible there was a error in some family information which, was passed down to me. I was told that my G.G. Grandfather-Daniel A. Powell Sr., had made a statement saying; he thought quite highly of, Samuel Red Bull. I personally think that it was, Samuel Red "Dog" NOT, Samuel Red "Bull". This is just my opinion and partially, due to, we all make some mistakes. Thanks, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Dec 29, 2019 8:09:31 GMT -5
I had to make a important correction in the post I made on October 13, 2019. I for some reason, in my closing comments, I mentioned; George Sword when, I meant to say Dewey Beard. I apologize.
Sincerely, kakarns
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Post by kakarns on Feb 13, 2021 5:26:49 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't been on the Site at all for quite some time now. My life got real hectic and hasn't calmed down much.
My wife, Rhoda "walked on" to the spirit world on; Nov. 8, 2020.
I've been off of work since Oct. 2020 with health issues. I have to have some surgery's but, am hoping to return to work at least by the end of May.
The good news is, I am re-building one of my motorcycles and giving it a "Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe" and "Oglala Tribe", theme and dedication. Heck I even bought a personalized license plate.
Hope to get back on here soon. Miss you all & Take Care kakarns
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