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Post by emilylevine on Dec 15, 2011 20:29:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know what archive has the best copy of this image? I need a high res scan. Thanks 
[Emily, I entered your post to make the photo visible. Dietmar] |
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Post by ladonna on Dec 16, 2011 14:50:05 GMT -5
I have the picture a better one on my computer that i scanned i will send it to you
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Post by emilylevine on Dec 17, 2011 10:59:49 GMT -5
Thank you so much Dietmar and LaDonna for taking the time to email me scans of this image!
I think this is such an important and valuable photograph as it shows so many of the Standing Rock people together. And it seems to be the only image we of some of of these people.
What is strange is that I don't think we even know who took this picture, do we? And why isn't there a better print somewhere? The one--torn and stained that the Smithsonian has pasted in an album and the other one--with the names written in that appears to have been printed by Fiske (but not taken by him) are the only ones I know of. (I've only seen the Fiske version in grayscale.)
I need at least a 300dpi scan for the book, so I can order from the Smithsonian or from the SHSND who I assume has the Fiske version. (The ones you sent me were not a high enough resolution; I'm not sure if you have digital copies or scanned prints for me, but scanned them at a lower resolution.)
Do you know anything more about this image? On what occasion it was taken?
Thanks
Em
(Dietmar, any sense why the image didn't show when I posted it?)
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Post by ladonna on Dec 18, 2011 12:26:59 GMT -5
i have the picture the picture in my office
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Post by emilylevine on Dec 18, 2011 12:54:37 GMT -5
LaDonna (or anyone)
Waggoner identifies this image as "Fort Rice June 1868" (i.e. at the treaty signing). Does that seem right to you?
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 18, 2011 15:35:39 GMT -5
Hi Em
I cant see that. Im sure this was taken at Standing Rock, ie. not earlier than 1873. My guess would be a year or two either side of 1875. Note for instance the presence of John Grass, fourth from right, who succeeded his father in 73, also Fire Heart V, next to him, who succeeded his father (though latter still alive) in 76. Its still a great early shot.
Im sure we have somewhere an id for the white man in the centre of the shot. that should provide a clue. also the age of the children with Mrs Galpin - her grandchildren?
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Post by emilylevine on Dec 18, 2011 16:23:10 GMT -5
Thanks Kingsley
The other copy I have shows ID's:
The white man is identified as Col. Hammond, the white child as Ella Hughes. The agent at Standing Rock around 1875 was Hughes (Hughs?).
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 18, 2011 17:52:37 GMT -5
The IDs in the Fiske image (Fiske photo from an old print) from left to right are:
Bear Face, Walking Shooter (aka Belly Fat), Bear Ribs II, Thunder Hawk, High Bear, Lone Dog, Black Eye, Big Head, Mrs. Galpin, Ella Hughes, Col. Hammond, Mrs. Alma Parkin, Running Antelope, Young Two Bear, Cottonwood, Gray Bear, John Grass, Young Fire Heart, Wolf necklace, Mrs. Van Solen
P.S. Emily, you copied the URL of the web page, the URL of the photo was a different one, that´s why it didn´t work.
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Post by ephriam on Dec 18, 2011 23:44:09 GMT -5
This is a great photograph. I would also like to find a better copy, beyond the one that is in the scrapbook at the Smithsonian. Let us know if you find one!
I agree that the image was not taken at Fort Rice in 1868. William T. Hughes was Indian Agent at Standing Rock from Dec. 1876 to October 1878. And he did have a daughter named Ella, born about 1869. I am not sure how long he remained in Dakota Territory after his term as agent but he had certainly moved back to Chicago by 1880. John H. Hammond (1830-1890) served as superintendent of Dakota Superintendency from 1877 to 1880. As I recall, his office was in Yankton but he visited Standing Rock on a number of occasions. I think this information would bracket the photograph as having been taken some time between 1877 and 1880 -- probably either 1877 or 1878.
I think it will be difficult to determine who the photographer was until we find a copy of the original image with its mount. But given the time period, I suspect it might have been Goff.
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Post by ladonna on Dec 19, 2011 16:40:00 GMT -5
The North Dakota State Historic Society has the picture in the Frank Fisk collection which i recieved a copy of the picture
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Post by emilylevine on Dec 19, 2011 22:49:42 GMT -5
I'm ordering the highest resolution scans I can get from both the SHSND and the Smithsonian. But, I'm with Ephriam: I'd live to see a really good print of this. Fiske must have had a print ("from an old print")---I wonder if it's buried somewhere in Bismarck, too. Where's the glass plate???
And who shot it? Goff makes sense, but I'd love to know for sure.
Thanks all.
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Post by akhummingbird on Dec 20, 2011 2:18:35 GMT -5
I agree that the image was not taken at Fort Rice in 1868. William T. Hughes was Indian Agent at Standing Rock from Dec. 1876 to October 1878. And he did have a daughter named Ella, born about 1869. I am not sure how long he remained in Dakota Territory after his term as agent but he had certainly moved back to Chicago by 1880. John H. Hammond (1830-1890) served as superintendent of Dakota Superintendency from 1877 to 1880. As I recall, his office was in Yankton but he visited Standing Rock on a number of occasions. I think this information would bracket the photograph as having been taken some time between 1877 and 1880 -- probably either 1877 or 1878. I think it will be difficult to determine who the photographer was until we find a copy of the original image with its mount. But given the time period, I suspect it might have been Goff. I agree with the time estimate of 1877. I had seen the photo with the number '68 on it and had always assumed the date was 1868, but now that I think about it - that couldn't be. My great great grandmother is Mrs. Galpin. Her two daughters in the photo are Mrs. Alma Galpin Parkin and Mrs. Louise Picotte Van Solen. Now Alma was born in 1856, so that would have made her 12 yrs old in 1868. She is clearly a grown woman in this photo. Also, Ella Hughes looks about 7 yrs old, and if she was born 1869 - then about 1877 is a good estimate. Additionally, when Mrs. Galpin died in 1888 her hair was totally grey-white, and in this photo she still has black hair. |
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 20, 2011 2:55:59 GMT -5
Well, what about James Lucas? He also took some photographs of Standing Rock leaders around the year 1875, as we have seen from stereographs uploaded to this site the last couple of days.
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Post by kingsleybray on Dec 20, 2011 9:19:13 GMT -5
Another dating crosscheck: its the son and namesake of Two Bears the Lower Yanktonai chief. The older man, famously photographed by Gardner in 1872, died in 1877 or 1878. So this photo again likely dates from 1877 forward.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 20, 2011 10:58:30 GMT -5
The absence of certain individuals would suggest it's pre-1881.
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