Two Lance, Black Spotted Horse, Four Bears-Brother

[lavanah]

Most recently I took a trip to Pierre, S.D. to visit the SDHS. In my research I finally came up with some information on the patriarch of Hodgkiss family, William D Hodgkiss.

William D Hodgkiss was married to two Sioux wins. The first was to a young woman of the Red Fox family. Their issue was:

1. William D Hodgkiss Jr; 8 Jan 1845 - 17 Jul 1927
2. Wincincanna Hodkiss, unkn dob - winter 1848
3. Alexander C Hodgkiss, 30 Apr 1851 - d. St Louis @ school
4. Oscar D Hodgkiss, 23 Feb 1853 - 11 Jun 1912

Second marriage was to Mary Sarah Walking Eagle Feather, aka Amani-Walks For/Forward or Walks on It. She was born abt 1832-36; their issue was:

1. Mary Martha; 11 Jan 1856 - Aug 1939
2. Henry Hodgkiss, b. 1858 - 6 Oct 1925
3. Blanche; b. 1860 - d. 1875; buried Ft Sully
4. Emma; 16 Jan 1862 - 13 Oct 1942

According to family oral history reported from Emma Claymore-Geary-Kessler, Mary Sarah had one sister who was married to Antoine LeBeau, b. 1824, and her name is Mary Margaret LeBeau, b. 1820 (but I feel this date reported on ICS may not be correct since most fur traders of French lineage liked their Indian women young teenagers. Also her first issue is born when she is 32 yrs old--almost unheard of for the time.) On blogs I have Mary Margaret's Indian name to Sicangu-Burnt Thigh, Makes Mouth and Little Thunder.

Mary Sarah Walks For brothers were:

Chief (Joseph) Four Bears, b. 1833
The Two Lances, b. 1830
Black Spotted Horse, b. (Is this Jos Black Spotted Horse?)

Mary Sarah Walks For marries a second time to Yellow Man of Crow Creek.

Fr Dan Madlon did a family tree for Honore Picotte, which include the family for Matilda Iyutanyan Picotte-Galpin aka Eagle Woman Who All Look At.

He tree indicates that Matilda is the daughter of Two Lance of Pine Ridge and Winyan Maza of S.R. Other sources state her mother was Rosy Light of Dawn-Hunkpapa. And, that she is sister of Two Lance and Two Hawks.

Two Lance I, has a son also of the same name, Two Lance (II), b. abt 1830 and another son, Two Hawks.

According to Fr Dan's tree Two Lance II marries Amelia TaSinaManiWin-Her Walking Blanket, b. 1838 (she would have been 10 yrs old when she had Jos Blk Spotted Horse), 1900 US Fed Ind Pop Census states Mar 1829. Their issue is:

1. Joseph Black Spotted Horse, b. 1848, m. Shoot Making
2. Sophie Dutawin - no children
3. Cecelia High Rock/Good H.R., b. 1857, m. John Promise - no issue
4. Amy Cloud m. ?
Thomas Cloud
5. Abraham Two Spears/Lances, b. 1863 m. Grace Hote/Gray
Lulu + Albert Yardly
Lulu + Thomas Ironbird
6. Two Lance III aka Horace, b. 1866 m. Carrie Wolf
Lucille + George Defender
Agnes + Joseph Jewett
7. Panskeskawastewin-Pretty White China--died

Can anyone give information on the Two Lance, Black Spotted Horse, Four Bears, Mary LeBeau and Mary Walking For family?

Pidamaya.

Lavanah

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[lavanah]

here is info found on Mary, Sister of Chief Four Bears:

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[miller7513]

lavanah-
I have a Two Lance (also Nation & Two Lands) b 1828 husband of White Kettle-this Two Kettle was a brother of Whistler, The Man Above, Dog That Looks Around and Does Not Come To The Lodge-his son was Two Lance Jr b 1854 husband of Medicine Bear (also Holy Bear) their children were Thomas, Fannie, an George-Indian census Pine Ridge 1885-1937
LaDeane

[swiftbird659]

July 22, 1889, The day before testerday we spoke of the acts of the judges. They are here for all the Indians on this reservation. When men are brought before us, we advise them to build a home and settle down and break up land and take care of his crops. I think in this way i can make a good lot of people soon. It is as i told you. White people get together and get drunk! I want the power to punish these people just as i do the Indians. The military have scouts here, and if they take a woman without marriage, we cannot punish them. I asked you in a council that we might have the power to punish drunkin men, red or white. Right now we have no power to do anything with the white men, though we are appointed by the government. We have no such papers (referring to certificate of appointment). The agent told us we would have writings of authority. We have been acting under the authority by the agent for three months now. We still do not have a certificate of appointment. We want something in writing to show that we are judges. The military will have nothing to do with the Indians. If you could make out a paper to show that we were judges it would be better than anything we could have! Chief Joseph Four Bear

[ladonna]

I tried to call you Lavanah, i just finished doing research for all the chief of Standing Rock in doing that i did the background of
Chief Thunder Hawk who states that Matilda Gaplin was his nieces and her Father was his brother named Long Lance. and in other document i found where Matlilda called Thunderhawk her uncle.
Not to throw a loop in your research just something new to look at

[akhummingbird]

Hello LaDonna. What is approx birthdate of this Chief Thunder Hawk? Matilda Galpin was born about 1820. The Thunder Hawk who went to Washington DC as a delegate was younger than Matilda and in Holly's "Once Their Home..." referred to her as "aunt". It would be exciting to me to definitely prove their blood relation. I have always read that Matilda's father was Two Lance who was Two Kettle/Minicoujou Sioux and Matilda's mother was Hunkpapa. So I assumed the Thunderhawk relation was through Matilda's mother's side.
Also in the Holly interview of Matilda, Matilda Galpin said she was the youngest of eight children and that she had older sisters (plural). I am also trying to establish a connection through one of these older sisters (whose names I do not know) and the Goudreau family ....as old newspapers refer to Cecelia Goudreau as Alma Parkins' beloved niece.

[ladonna]

I just love research,
here is what i found out
THUNDERHAWK (Born 1834—Died August 13, 1906)
The father of Thunderhawk was Katuŋsya who was Oohenuŋpa (Two Kettle Band) and he had two wives. The first wife had four children, Three boys and one girl, Thunder Hawk, White Shield, and Crow Feather grew up and married into the Huŋkpapayas. The other wife had a son named of Long Lance who became a chief.
Thunder Hawk’s brother Long Lance also had two wives who were sisters from them came Mrs. Matilda Galpin the wife of fur trader. Long Lance remained in the Oohenuŋpa band. Mrs. Galpin’s name was Waŋbli Ayutepiwiŋ and her mother’s name was Iyošawiŋ. She had four brothers. One of her brothers, Hehakaka, drowned in the Cheyenne River while he was very young. The two wives of Long Lance had about nine children, mostly boys. Mrs. Galpin, who came from a long line of chiefs, in the Oohenuŋpa band. Mrs. Galpin was the niece of Thunder Hawk and when the government needed assistance in negotiating a treaty with the Huŋkpapaya Sioux, she was the one chosen as interpreter to take a journey in company of Father De Smet and Mr. Galpin to the camp of Sitting Bull to talk to the Sioux.
This came from some of Josephine Waggoner's writing that i had in a file but just now took time to read though them.

[ladonna]

Howape was a sister to Katunsya and became a Mrs. Goodreau.

[ladonna]

Joseph L. Goudreau b. 1831 Montreal Quebec, Canada d. 1885 Vermillion SD
Spouse: Josephine-Red Fern Woman-Howape Luta Win b. 1848 d. 1882
Children
Son: Robert Goudreau b. 10-1867 d. 5-15-1932
Son: Samuel Gordreau b. 7-15-1870 d. 11-18-1945
Daughter: Anna Goudreau b. 8-26-1872 d. 1963
Daughter: Cecilia Goudreau b. 1876 d. 11-8-1960

[ladonna]

Matowakutepi-Shoot the Bear b. 1845
Spouse: Winyan Waste b. 1845
Spouse: Niyawakanwin-Her Sacred Spirit b. 1862
Children
Daughter: Apesawin-Red Fire Woman b. 1868
Son: Kills Alive-Niyakekte-Maurice Shoot the Bear b. 1869

and

White Shield b. 1843
Spouse: Zintkala Waste b. 1846
Children
Son: John White Shield b. 1873

[ladonna]

May 20, 2012 13:15:19 GMT -5 akhummingbird said:

Hello LaDonna. What is approx birthdate of this Chief Thunder Hawk? Matilda Galpin was born about 1820. The Thunder Hawk who went to Washington DC as a delegate was younger than Matilda and in Holly's "Once Their Home..." referred to her as "aunt". It would be exciting to me to definitely prove their blood relation. I have always read that Matilda's father was Two Lance who was Two Kettle/Minicoujou Sioux and Matilda's mother was Hunkpapa. So I assumed the Thunderhawk relation was through Matilda's mother's side.
Also in the Holly interview of Matilda, Matilda Galpin said she was the youngest of eight children and that she had older sisters (plural). I am also trying to establish a connection through one of these older sisters (whose names I do not know) and the Goudreau family ....as old newspapers refer to Cecelia Goudreau as Alma Parkins' beloved niece.

Oohenunpa or Two Kettle is where Thunderhawk comes from, his brother Long Lance by the first wife was was older than Thunder Hawk and married and lived further south then his younger brothers

[ladonna]

Chief White Deer had His oldest daughter named Okisedutawin-Half Red she was born in 1873
She was raised by Louisa Picotte DeGray Van Solen and was claimed as a niece, just checking how she would be related to the Ihunktonwana

[akhummingbird]

May 21, 2012 10:38:45 GMT -5 ladonna said:

I just love research,
here is what i found out
THUNDERHAWK (Born 1834�Died August 13, 1906)
The father of Thunderhawk was Katuŋsya who was Oohenuŋpa (Two Kettle Band) and he had two wives. The first wife had four children, Three boys and one girl, Thunder Hawk, White Shield, and Crow Feather grew up and married into the Huŋkpapayas. The other wife had a son named of Long Lance who became a chief.
Thunder Hawk�s brother Long Lance also had two wives who were sisters from them came Mrs. Matilda Galpin the wife of fur trader. Long Lance remained in the Oohenuŋpa band. Mrs. Galpin�s name was Waŋbli Ayutepiwiŋ and her mother�s name was Iyo�awiŋ. She had four brothers. One of her brothers, Hehakaka, drowned in the Cheyenne River while he was very young. The two wives of Long Lance had about nine children, mostly boys. Mrs. Galpin, who came from a long line of chiefs, in the Oohenuŋpa band. Mrs. Galpin was the niece of Thunder Hawk and when the government needed assistance in negotiating a treaty with the Huŋkpapaya Sioux, she was the one chosen as interpreter to take a journey in company of Father De Smet and Mr. Galpin to the camp of Sitting Bull to talk to the Sioux.
This came from some of Josephine Waggoner's writing that i had in a file but just now took time to read though them.

The Josephine Waggoner version of Thunderhawk's relationship to Matilda Galpin/ Wambli Autepewin/Eagle Woman That All Look At is intriguing and initially exciting ...but I'm having a hard time with the math and can't quite get comfortable with it.

Matilda Galpin's father, Two Lance (aka Wahukeza Nompa, aka Tow-cow-sa-no-pa), was (per Kingsley Bray) "probably born no later than 1760's". That's about 75 yrs older than Thunderhawk born 1834, which makes it unlikely they were brothers.

Matilda Galpin was born "the youngest of 8 children" in 1820 - which makes her 14 years older than Thunderhawk. In Francis Chamberlain's interview of Matilda Galpin, Matilda tells a story where Thunderhawk protected her when they went to the camp of Sitting Bull and he calls her "Aunt".

In Chamberlain's interview of Mrs. Galpin, Matilda says her father was Two Lance, and he died in the "year of the great meteor shower" (1833 - a year before Thunderhawk is born).

I'm wondering if the Thunderhawk-son-of-Katunsya in Waggoner's writings is a different Thunderhawk than Thunderhawk born 1834? Or is this brother, Long Lance, not the same person as Two Lance, and Waggoner just got the two confused and assumed Mrs. Galpin was Long Lance's daughter?

Below is what Kingsley Bray has posted in a past thread on this board:
"The older TWO LANCE (Wahukeza Nompa) was probably born no later than the 1760s. He is mentioned in a tradition collected by E.S. Curtis at Cheyenne River about 1907, and printed in vol. 3, The Teton Sioux, of Curtis's 30 volume set THE NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN. Sometime about the 1790s traders visited the Miniconjou-Sans Arc village in "the eastern forest" and persuaded a deputation of four headmen to visit their headquarters ... The headmen were three Miniconjou - Thunder Hoop, Cut Ear, and TWO LANCE - and a Sans Arc, whose name was not recalled. At this time the Two Kettle were not an independent tribal division, but one of the Miniconjou sub-bands. They formed part of the Broken Arrow (Wanhin Wega) band. Two Lance was representing this band.
(Joseph) Four Bears is mentioned in John Grey's article about Wambli Autepewin/Eagle Woman That All Look At/Mrs. Galpin as her nephew... He is the Two Kettle leader who gave the above story to E.S. Curtis.
About thirty years later we have a contemporary reference to Two Lance. On July 5, 1825 leaders of the Oglala and "Sioune" divisions of Lakota signed the Atkinson-O'Fallon Treaty with the USA near the mouth of Bad River (opposite modern Pierre, SD). "Sioune" or Saone was a name used in those days covering several of the northern Teton divisions - in this treaty it means the Miniconjous (still including Two Kettles) and Sans Arcs. Six Saone chiefs signed first, of whom no. 6 is named as "Tow-cow-sa-no-pa, the Two Lance".
Two Lance must have been in his sixties by the time of the Treaty of 1825. It is the last appearance he makes in the record, but the fact that he was prominent right through this period ca. 1790-1830 makes it clear that he was a very important leader."

[ladonna]

i just love history

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