Magpie's Sisters

[jujubean]

Hi all! I am very new to all of this! I have always been drawn to Native American history and have recently become interested in discovering my family's past. From what I can gather, based on my Grandpa's pictures and stories, his father was the son of Magpie's sister (I think her name was Medicine Arrow). They lived in New Mexico, around Raton on a mesa. Can anyone give me more info on Magpie and her sisters or does anyone have suggestions for resources? I will try to post some of my grandfather's pictures soon. Thanks!

[jasmine]

Hi! I too am very, very new to this but I have some information that you may be interested in. . . .I received this link from Dcordry with HombreHistory.com. . .I recently discovered that my great-great grandmother was/is a sister of Magpie Woman. . . Magpie woman was married to George Bent (Bent's Fort fame). Magpie Woman's mother had a sister that was married to Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle. My gg grandmother is noted in the Treaty of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe which gives her children land allotment. She is listed as Ote-se-ot-see and her husband as John Sickles. A later document corrects his legal name to John Sechler. The Treaty names the children as Margaret, Minnie and John. . . John is my great-grandfather. . . Ote-se-ot-see has also gone by the names of Nisutha (Ft. Fetterman), Mimama (Butterfly in Sioux), Mary Sheilds, Sanhunquigan (family probate records), and Mary Six Fingers. We in the family always referred to her as Six Fingers. In order for someone to receive an allotment in the Treaty they had to have lost a family member at 'Sand Creek'. Magpie Woman lost her father at Sand Creek, his name was Cut Lip Bear. Magpie Woman had a brother, Blue Horse, he was with Black Kettle and tended the horses for the tribe. My gg-grandmother called Black Kettle "Uncle". I understand that there were several siblings and possibly several wives of Black Kettle, a large extended family. . . .Magpie Woman had been kidnapped from Bent and it was believed that she was taken to somewhere in New Mexico, her husband never saw or heard from her again. I have been searching my family for 30+ years but always reached a deadend until I decided to work from a different angle, hence the Bent connection. . .I do have a picture of Six Fingers, it isn't very clear but possibly the only existing picture of her. . . Six Fingers and her family moved north and settled at Ft. Fetterman, ft. Laramie and eventually Ft. Robinson. . . John Sechler was a Freighter and hauled goods across the plains with a twenty-mule team. While at Ft. Robinson he moved goods across the plains to Deadwood, SD. Six Fingers would always return to Pine Ridge and her family when he was gone; she would eventually leave the her husband and children to join the Ghost Dance religion. Story has it that she died in Lame Deer, Montana due to having fallen from a wagon while intoxicated, breaking her nose, bleeding out and freezing to death during the night. . .She was wrapped in blankets and placed in a cave as her final resting place as the land was too frozen to dig a grave.

[val]

Apr 27, 2012 19:06:08 GMT -5 jasmine said:

Hi! I too am very, very new to this but I have some information that you may be interested in. . . .I received this link from Dcordry with HombreHistory.com. . .I recently discovered that my great-great grandmother was/is a sister of Magpie Woman. . . Magpie woman was married to George Bent (Bent's Fort fame). Magpie Woman's mother had a sister that was married to Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle. My gg grandmother is noted in the Treaty of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe which gives her children land allotment. She is listed as Ote-se-ot-see and her husband as John Sickles. A later document corrects his legal name to John Sechler. The Treaty names the children as Margaret, Minnie and John. . . John is my great-grandfather. . . Ote-se-ot-see has also gone by the names of Nisutha (Ft. Fetterman), Mimama (Butterfly in Sioux), Mary Sheilds, Sanhunquigan (family probate records), and Mary Six Fingers. We in the family always referred to her as Six Fingers. In order for someone to receive an allotment in the Treaty they had to have lost a family member at 'Sand Creek'. Magpie Woman lost her father at Sand Creek, his name was Cut Lip Bear. Magpie Woman had a brother, Blue Horse, he was with Black Kettle and tended the horses for the tribe. My gg-grandmother called Black Kettle "Uncle". I understand that there were several siblings and possibly several wives of Black Kettle, a large extended family. . . .Magpie Woman had been kidnapped from Bent and it was believed that she was taken to somewhere in New Mexico, her husband never saw or heard from her again. I have been searching my family for 30+ years but always reached a deadend until I decided to work from a different angle, hence the Bent connection. . .I do have a picture of Six Fingers, it isn't very clear but possibly the only existing picture of her. . . Six Fingers and her family moved north and settled at Ft. Fetterman, ft. Laramie and eventually Ft. Robinson. . . John Sechler was a Freighter and hauled goods across the plains with a twenty-mule team. While at Ft. Robinson he moved goods across the plains to Deadwood, SD. Six Fingers would always return to Pine Ridge and her family when he was gone; she would eventually leave the her husband and children to join the Ghost Dance religion. Story has it that she died in Lame Deer, Montana due to having fallen from a wagon while intoxicated, breaking her nose, bleeding out and freezing to death during the night. . .She was wrapped in blankets and placed in a cave as her final resting place as the land was too frozen to dig a grave.

[val]

My gg grandmother was Mary Six Fingers Shields. The information I have is that she was married twice. first husband was Stanley, and she had one child, Maggie. her 2nd husband was John Sechler and they had six children. Louisa, my g grandmother, Minnie, Elizabeth, John, Alice and Lucy. The story I was told is that she left her husband, John, because he had beat her with a bull whip. When she left she took Maggie with her but left the other 6 children. I have also been told she died in Lame Deer MT but had not heard the story surrounding her death, My g grandmother, Louisa married Thomas Henderson and had two children. She is buried in the Gamble NE cemetery. She, my grandmother and mother are all registered on the Pine Ridge Reservation. I have similar information to yours regarding John Y. Sechler,,,in the pack train business. His nickname was Arkansas Johnny and he was born in Pennsylvania and died in Minot.
I would love to see a picture of Six Fingers.

[unclehippie]

val and jasmine I have info on this as well mary is my ggg grandma and Elizabeth is my gg grandma also Arkansas john was 6'4" 280 lb and there is books and news article of him as well would love to compare note my email is [e-mail] look forward to hear from you