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Post by frank on Jul 15, 2008 15:22:22 GMT -5
Hey, I didn't know under what topic I should post this, so I posted it in here... Has anyone of you ever seen or read anything about Irish Wolfhounds related with old west? I remember that I have sometime seen a painting (about Lewis & Clark was it?) where they had a Irish wolfhound with them on some expedition or something... but I'm not sure, can't remember where it was. Anyway, me and my girlfriend are getting one of those giants and I'm just curious that did the Irish immigrants bring any with them when moving to U.S. or does anyone have any idea about their history in "Old West". Google didnät help me much with this one. If someone also has some good info about camp dogs that Indians had I'd like to know more about them... do you know was there a specific breed or where did they come from originally... thanks guys.  |
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Post by clw on Jul 15, 2008 16:05:02 GMT -5
At one time (early 20th century?), the breed was almost lost. I wonder about the breed's early history too Frank, as I owned one myself. Let me rephrase that, I lived with one. She was a sweet, gentle lady, but -- shall we say -- a LOT of dog. And very, very wet and drooly. Which is why I had to find her a wonderful, but new home -- she tended to drown children. She could run faster than the horses and just TRY and stop her.
Which is likely one of the main reasons why Custer had a passel of them. Dragged them everywhere, much to Libbie's chagrin, as she was usually the one doing the dragging.
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Post by frank on Jul 15, 2008 16:14:32 GMT -5
Yeap, they are big fellows ;D but still quite gentle...well ermmm..most of the are  . Custer had Irish Wolfhounds? d**n...I didnt know that...and whats does that show..well, I need to read more, both books and this messageboard... nice, thanks clw. I know about Irish Wolfhounds history in Ireland and about bringing the breed back to live when it was almost lost around 1860's but I didnt know Custer had them too... if you come up with any other info about them roaming around U.S. between 1800-1900 I'm happy to know about it. I'm still wondering what dog L & C had on their expedition 1804-06 or had they any? And the Indian camp dogs... they had them before whites came right? But where the heck did the dogs come from... part wolves or something? Not likely though but the dogs came from somewhere at the first place... |
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Post by clw on Jul 15, 2008 17:50:25 GMT -5
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Post by frank on Jul 15, 2008 21:54:29 GMT -5
d**n...yes I have... I just havent registered it apparently... well, this is exactly what I wanted to find. Thanks clw.
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 4:25:38 GMT -5
Hey clw, Friend of mine said that the dogs in the pic are listed as Stag Hounds.... which would seem to be different breed all together... www.dogbreedinfo.com/staghound.htmSame looking but smaller... but I dunno... |
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Post by clw on Jul 16, 2008 11:05:46 GMT -5
I suspect the breed was smaller then. I've even seen modern IWH that are that size. Except for the size, it sure looks like one to me. And as there was no AKC, there really wasn't a common nomenclature. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Here's an interesting article on Indian dogs... www.nativeamericandog.com/info.htm |
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 11:21:30 GMT -5
Interesting article indeed, thanks. And yep, they look like the dogs you could imagine running around the camp and biting every white stranger that arrives in to the camp... until they pick up a piece wood from the ground and then all the dogs would scatter like they know whats happening next if the teeth showing wont stop ;D... camp dogs.  I've always wondered where the dogs came in the first place to the plains. |
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 11:22:35 GMT -5
Little wolf and little husky like but still not either of them... smaller and more "typical dog" like.
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Post by clw on Jul 16, 2008 11:38:16 GMT -5
I've seen lots of rez dogs on Cheyenne Rive with a similar look. I think the genes are still around. And when you consider that rez is very isolated, it makes sense.
I looked at that picture of the stag hound and checked the AKC book too against the dog with GAC. To me, the head shape and build is much more like an IWH. All the other large 'sight hounds' have more pointy muzzles and smaller, narrower heads.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 16, 2008 13:38:13 GMT -5
According to Mike Cowdrey's excellent Arrow's Elk Society Ledger, dogs like Irish Wolfhounds were used by soldiers in their attacks on Indian villages.
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 13:39:19 GMT -5
Hmmm...those could have been Staghounds just like the ones Custer had in that pic... Friend of mine just posted these pics on Finnish discussion board where I was asking about the same thing... Staghound:  Scottish Deerhound:  Irish Wolfhound:  Reason why I ask about these Irish Wolfhounds and their history in the first place is that me and my girlfriend are getting one soon. We already have a specific puppy waiting. |
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Post by clw on Jul 16, 2008 14:03:16 GMT -5
Stag Hound  Irish Wolfhound  Custer's dog  |
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 14:21:32 GMT -5
Hmm, I would still bet that that Custers dog is Stag Hound... I can't be sure though. It still can be Irish Wolfhound too. Another pic of American Staghound:  |
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Post by frank on Jul 16, 2008 14:27:29 GMT -5
In Ernest Grafen and Paul Horstedin book "Exploring with Custer - The 1874 Black Hills Expedition". The dogs that Custer had are mentioned as Staghounds too.
(That info came from a friend. I haven't read the book)
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