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Post by dT on Sept 12, 2014 15:56:16 GMT -5
jasper4 ... you are completely right brother.
we have now entered the time when the Earth becomes sick. unfortunately, when that happens then all men and women will be affected. both white men and red men, and all the others too, they are all affected.
I am preparing soon for a new journey - to do prayers and a new ceremony about this.
Pete (dT)
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Post by waganari on Oct 20, 2014 6:22:56 GMT -5
For those who haven't read 'Geronimo's Story of his Life' you can read the book in its entirety online: www.gutenberg.org/files/31318/31318-h/31318-h.htm From the author's introductory: "On page ninety-seven of the manuscript Geronimo accuses General Miles of bad faith. Of course, General Miles made the treaty with the Apaches, but we know very well that he is not responsible for the way the Government subsequently treated the prisoners of war. However, Geronimo cannot understand this and fixes upon General Miles the blame for what he calls unjust treatment. One could not expect the Department of War to approve adverse criticisms of its own acts, but it is especially gratifying that such a liberal view has been taken of these criticisms, and also that such a frank statement of the merits of the Autobiography is submitted in the memorandum. Of course neither the President nor the War Department is in any way responsible for what Geronimo says; he has simply been granted the opportunity to state his own case as he sees it". I leave the commenting to you...
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Post by dT on Nov 30, 2014 22:11:03 GMT -5
there are as many interpretations ... as there are people who have read the events.
I don't have a problem with Geronimo's view. In Apache terms, Miles represents the US Government, and must make good his words. If he does not intend to make good on the promises, then don't make them in the first place! The idea that "agents of another power can be acceptable liars" is not a view that is consistent to traditional Apache values. moreover, many other Native traditions would take similar views.
My own opinion is that Miles was well aware that the terms would not be honored. he knew the politics. he was simply wrapping this up because he had orders. He was willing to sign whatever lies would work - so long as it saved his own a** and his own career. You can tell, I don't have a high opinion of Miles.
I continue to have a MAJOR problem with why the US Government is holding the bones of Geronimo and will not release them to his own family in NM. We act as if we are outraged when foreign nations will not return the remains of US servicemen who died overseas in war. Yet Washington DC willfully holds the bones of Geronimo captive. It's a big double-standard.
dT
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Post by pullingup on Jan 7, 2015 18:30:17 GMT -5
Geronimo's remains have been undisturbed for many years because the wishes of the descendants were that his bones remain buried alongside his family. It is the tradition of the Tribe to leave the grave undisturbed. Only in this recent generation have some individuals in one of the two branches of the Geronimo descendants decided that Geronimo's remains should be moved. Evidently this is based on a misreading of a plea to the U.S. president in the Geronimo "autobiography" by Barrett. Geronimo asks that his people be set free to live in their home territory so that he can die (and be buried) knowing that his people will survive. Geronimo did not ask for his remains to be moved. Geronimo's grave at Fort Sill is a permanent reminder of the shame that the U.S. should bear in keeping innocent people as political prisoners for more than a generation (for the 'crime' of being Chiricahua Apache). Removing Geronimo's remains from among those of his family and relatives at the Tribal cemetery at Fort Sill would be an easy way for the U.S. to try to absolve itself and get rid of an uncomfortable reminder of the policy of genocidal ethnic cleansing that was standard for the U.S. If all of Geronimo's descendants agree to moving him, then it will happen; but it should not occur due to grandstanding or due to a misinterpretation of a single reference source.
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Post by dT on Jan 7, 2015 19:21:49 GMT -5
jasper4 ... correct. and the abyss is closer than many suspect. It is a good thing that Native Americans have spoken up about the problems with the Earth, and the way our world is being treated. Many NA elders have spoken, and the Lakota elders have been particularly outspoken. But unfortunately, these warnings have all fallen on deaf ears.
this is an important time for prayers. It is also a very important time for Native Americans to attend ceremonies TOGETHER, but regrettably the people are very divided.
best wishes, dT
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Post by dT on Jan 7, 2015 19:26:57 GMT -5
pullingup - that is an interesting point of view about Geronimo's remains. If his burial site was accomplishing that goal - then I think the sacrifice would be worthwhile. I did not realize that it was Geronimo's own kin who wish to leave the bones where they are. I guess that is really up to them.
To me - it is surprising. Geronimo expressed many requests to the US Government to be allowed to return to New Mexico or Arizona while he was alive. It seems reasonable to think he would wish this now. Since his death was relatively quick, he probably had very little time to consider things on his deathbed.
Anyway, your information is interesting.
Sadly, I do not think that anyone is going to be "shamed" into changing their viewpoint at this time. When I speak to most "normal" people in society, they usually see the NA concerns as being tied to a piece of history that is long gone. Sad, but true. I am sure you encounter similar views. As I said in my other post above, time is not our friend now. When the Earth dies, all people lose.
dT
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Post by Kimberly Cortez on Apr 28, 2015 18:46:26 GMT -5
I'm trying to search for information about my grandfather. His name was Geronimo Cortez, he went by George. How can I find out about him. His father was apache Indian
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Post by dT on Apr 29, 2015 0:16:32 GMT -5
Kimberley - Geronimo's real name was not Geronimo. It was Goyakhla. The One who Yawns.
In order to trace your grandfather, you need to tell people here a few things. Where was he born? What community did he live in? Who were his parents and grandparents? If you can get that information, you might have a chance. There are very knowledgeable people here who have answers - if you provide those details. Otherwise, it is impossible to find out. I am not a person who knows the lineage of Apaches. But others here do!
dT
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Post by Angela on Mar 7, 2016 17:14:41 GMT -5
I have a question about the real meaning of the Apache name of Geronimo.
In this documentation (6:12) Edgar Perry says: „The Apaches call him Goyaałé. Goyaalé means "the smart one“ in Apache.“:
In the „Western Apache - English Dictionary“ I found "Goyaalé - Geronimo" between "goyaa - he is wise / he is smart / intelligent" and "góyáni - the wise one". And I found "yawn - nádich'ah" - that does’nt sound like „Goyaalé“.
So … why do I always hear and read „Goyaalé means: the one who yawns“?
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Post by Angela on Mar 9, 2016 4:24:31 GMT -5
I think I have got the answer: Gothlyka is another name he had ...
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Post by dT on Mar 9, 2016 16:30:29 GMT -5
Angela - this is just a suggestion. I am not an Apache. But there are members of the Apache tribe, and the Chiricahua sub-tribe, who come here regularly. Geronimo was originally Bedonkohe.
I suggest that you do not jump to conclusions about the Apache name for Geronimo. Many Apaches on this forum have always referred to Geronimo as "Goyahkla". Sometimes the name "Goyaale" is encountered. But either way, it is always described as "the one who yawns". I don't think that the name Goyahkla is an insult in the tradition of the Chiricahuas ... they don't see it that way.
I am sure that if you are patient - someone will respond to you.
best wishes, dT
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Post by Angela on Mar 9, 2016 18:12:45 GMT -5
dT - thank you very much for your answer. I hope I was not impolite. That was not my intention. If so, I apologize.
I am fascinated by the history and culture of the amazing nation of the Apaches. I have read a lot about it and I would like to learn a lot more about ...
best wishes, Angela
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Post by jasper4 on Mar 10, 2016 11:38:58 GMT -5
This is but one of several on He who yawns or geronimo. I know this Perry did those videos in the 70s. The old way is to have many names for different people or occasions. Yet the video I share speaks with kin of the band at fort sill or sources who know. I am honored to say I knew and was mentored by some in the video.
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Post by Angela on Mar 11, 2016 14:50:29 GMT -5
jasper4 - thank you VERY much for sharing this video :-) I think I have the answer: "many names for different people or occasions" though … I like „the smart/wise one“ :-)
thank you & best wishes, Angela
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Post by jasper4 on Mar 16, 2016 10:44:13 GMT -5
jasper4 - thank you VERY much for sharing this video :-) I think I have the answer: "many names for different people or occasions" though … I like „the smart/wise one“ :-) thank you & best wishes, Angela He was smart yet not wise to many chiricahua due to his actions made all become POW and end up as the fort sill apache of oklahoma. Yet He who Yawns was a Diiyin whose only need was to keep the chiricahua free I think. Enjun
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