Fire Heart / Chanta Peta

[ephriam]

The State Historical Society of North Dakota has two letters written for Fire Heart in 1865 and 1867:

history.nd.gov/textbook/unit3_3_transcriptions.html

Letter 1:
Reposing special confidence in the friendship honesty and wisdom of Fire Heart Cha ta ha ta _ and also in consideration of his appointment by the people of this tribe, the President of the United States by his Commissioner authorized to make treaties and perform the duties connected with the Indians of the Upper Missouri country does constitute and declare the said Fire Heart Head Chief of the Blackfeet of the Dakota or Sioux Nation and all persons are directed & requested to respect and accredit him accordingly
Done at the council tent by the Commissioners at Fort Sully Oct 28th 1865.
S R Curtis
Maj Gen’l
Orrin Guernsey
Commissioner

Letter 2:
The bearer of this “Fire Heart” a chief of the Blackfeet Sioux was at one time at war with the whites but in 1864 he and his people made peace with me. Since that time he has kept the promises he made to me. He is brave and I think can be trusted as a good friend to the whites. I therefore request all to treat him well.
Alf. Sully
Bvt. Brig Gen’l
Presdt of Comm’n
Old Fort Sully D. T.
June 9th 1867

[kakarns]

My G.G.G. Grandparents - Charging Eagle, (aka) Cherry Tree and Close Together, (aka) Transparent Stone had two daughters together.:

1.) Julia Good Voice Bear,
(aka) Blue Whirlwind, (aka) Blue Water, (aka) Lily Fireheart, (aka) Lily Fireheart Bear
2.) Top Of The Head,
(aka) Pecokawin

Julia Good Voice Bear married twice. Her second marriage in 1887, was to Julian Fireheart (b. circa 1859).

Julian Fireheart was the son of:
Fireheart (aka) Chante Peta (b. 1827) married; (circa 1858), Crow Eater (b. circa 1835)

Fire Heart and Crow Eater had four children:
Julian Fire Heart
Wounded Shield
Gives Away Enemies Horses
Red Bird

Fire Heart was listed as " Head of Houshold " on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA. July 1, 1892

Compiled from; a copy of the Charging Eagle "Will" and Mike Stevens - Tiyospaye - website

kakarns

[kingsleybray]

From Dietmar's posting on November 25, this thread, is an important section on Sihasapa bands which includes the following passage, quoted from the Col AB Welch mss.

"When Red Horse became a chief, his band was known as “Long Fringes,” for they were tall, thin, stringy people. They lived on the Moreau River. Two Packs, also known as Hawk Shield (a brother of Used as a Shield) had a band. They were often called the “Lower Blackfeet,” although all the Blackfeet were together."

I went on to suggest the possibility that this related to the band named Glaglahecha in John Grass's list of bands. That name is conventionally glossed 'slovenly'. As 'the bad looking ones', tabled by TA Culbertson in his 1850 tabulation of Lakota subdivisions, it was attested from before the middle of the 19th c.

This is a name also borne by a leading Miniconjou band, associated with the leadership of the White Swan family. In a list of Miniconjou bands given to Scudder Mekeel by Joe Eagle Hawk at Pine Ridge in 1931, the Glaglahecha are listed with the translation "wiry tall fellows". This is so close to Welch's "tall, thin ,stringy people" that I think it definite that his Long Fringes band, led by Red Horse (born c. 1835) at Standing Rock in the 1876-1889 period, is identical with the group named by John Grass.

This does mean that we now have strong tieups between four Sihasapa bands and contemporary chiefly families in the later 19th c.

They are, to recap:
1. Real Sihasapa - chief Fire Heart
2. Crow Feather Hair Ornaments - Grass, John Grass
3. Wazhazha - Kill Eagle, Red Hawk, possibly Goose
4. Glaglaheca - Red Horse

This leaves two bands in Grass's camp-circle, and two regularly attested contemporary chiefs:

5. Hohe band
6. Cowrie Shell Earrings band

to be matched to chiefs
Crawler
Sitting Crow

Room to sharpen the evidence still and solve the final mystery bands, but we are so much farther on in understanding Sihasapa band and leadership structures.

[ladonna]

Dec 22, 2011 19:33:11 GMT -5 kakarns said:

My G.G.G. Grandparents - Charging Eagle, (aka) Cherry Tree and Close Together, (aka) Transparent Stone had two daughters together.:

1.) Julia Good Voice Bear,
(aka) Blue Whirlwind, (aka) Blue Water, (aka) Lily Fireheart, (aka) Lily Fireheart Bear
2.) Top Of The Head,
(aka) Pecokawin

Julia Good Voice Bear married twice. Her second marriage in 1887, was to Julian Fireheart (b. circa 1859).

Julian Fireheart was the son of:
Fireheart (aka) Chante Peta (b. 1827) married; (circa 1858), Crow Eater (b. circa 1835)

Fire Heart and Crow Eater had four children:
Julian Fire Heart
Wounded Shield
Gives Away Enemies Horses
Red Bird

Fire Heart was listed as " Head of Houshold " on the US Indian Census Rolls at Pine Ridge Indian reservation, Wounded Knee District, Shannon Co., South Dakota, USA. July 1, 1892

Compiled from; a copy of the Charging Eagle "Will" and Mike Stevens - Tiyospaye - website

kakarns

I believe this is the other Fire Heart not related to the Blackfeet Fire Heart

[ladonna]

Blackfeet-Lakota

Cante Peta b. 1813
Spouse: Tacangleska- Her Hoop b. 1819
Children
Son: Cante Peta II-Henry Fire Heart b. 1851
Son: Sungila-Fox b. 1861

Cante Peta-Henry Fire Heart b. 1851
1st Spouse: Winyan waste b. 1855
2nd Spouse: Mollie b. 1859
Children
Daughter: Mary Fire Heart b.
Son: Maurice Fire Heart b.
Son: Albert Fire Heart b.

[kingsleybray]

thanks LaDonna for the genealogy data on the Fire Heart family.

As you know there were at least three Fire Hearts BEFORE the man born in 1813 and married to Her Hoop.

These three were:

Fire Heart I - originally a Miniconjou, probably born somewhat before 1700, an active headman in the c. 1730s when he was gifted with seed corn by the Calf Pipe keeper at a ceremony that involved a re-staging of the coming of the Calf Pipe Bundle.

You told me that he had at least two sons, one who remained with the Miniconjou. (Do we know his name?) The other son, who was Fire Heart II, became identified with the Sihasapa.

Fire Heart III was probably born after c. 1775. He was prominent in the 1820s, when Keating noted him as a war chief, and as the most notable Teton leader. This probably reflects his continuing ties to the Minnesota Dakotas (where Keating got his info' from). He famously led a contingent of eastern Saones which assisted the Leavenworth campaign against the Arikaras (1823), and signed the Atkinson-O'Fallon treaty in 1825 as the principal leader of the "Siounes of Fire Heart's band" (ie the Sihasapa). Perhaps he was among the generational cohort of Sihasapa leaders which Nicollet indicated was killed off by the 1837 smallpox epidemic.

[ladonna]

the fire heart to put up is probably 4 and 5 geneation from the orginal Fire Heart a very interesting family, i will look to see i have the names of the two sons

[emilylevine]

LaDonna and Kingsley: Do you know everything??!! : )

[kakarns]

I went back and reviewed some items which, I commented on before concerning;
Juila Good Voice Bear and Julian Fireheart

Julia Good Voice Bear (aka) Lily Fireheart Bear, d. May 26, 1939 at the age of 76 yrs. [therefore, born c. 1863]
Julian Fireheart, d. August 28, 1941 at the age of 79 yrs. [therefore, born c. 1862]

After re-reading the copies of documents at hand, it seems both are listed as Rosebud Allottee's and some hand written notes on the documents suggest, Julian had ties at Pine Ridge also.

It appears that I have been misinformed on some of the information I previously posted and this may be a different Fireheart family that, Julia Good Voice Bear married into. At this point, I would have to agree with ladonna.

Thank you,
kakarns

[ladonna]

One of the things i have seen is different bands of the Lakota may have the same name but not related to each other. When doing the background of the tribes you have to look at the band which people are from just like Sitting Bull there are at least seven Sitting Bull not related to each other

[kakarns]

ladonna,
Thank you for correcting me. I learn more every day !

Over the past several years, while doing my research, I have read allot of articles from this site but, have just recently decided to join. I have watched as people solve family connections and the mystery of whether they are related or, not.

I would like to ask the Administrator's to review my post and remove them from this thread if, they feel necessary. This may save some further confusion in the Blackfeet thread. I am sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused.

As I continue, I agree with your last post but, I do realize also that, many things are possible. For example;

My G.G.G. Grandfather (from the Oglala / Kiyuksa Band), Charging Eagle settled on allotment land at Medicine Root Creek, near Kyle, SD. However, his daughter Top Of The Head, (my G.G. Grandmother) married Daniel A. Powell, settled on the Bad River and enrolled with the CRST. Many of the Charging Eagle family, including my Father, (born in Eagle Butte, SD) and myself were and are enrolled with the CRST.

Thanks again.
kakarns

[ladonna]

I think the post should stay because we are all learning and it help with other doing research, when it comes to history of our people no one is wrong we are all just trying to uncover our past and put it down so our people never forget who they are.

[Wakalapi]

Jan 11, 2012 22:57:59 GMT -5 ladonna said:

I think the post should stay because we are all learning and it help with other doing research, when it comes to history of our people no one is wrong we are all just trying to uncover our past and put it down so our people never forget who they are.

Hau! Thank you very much for your valuable knowledge that you share unconditionally. Without all that you have shared, in my case i would have never discovered who i was.
I use to think that i was related to dietmar, maybe i am somehow too?

Thank You!

[Dietmar]

Here´s the portrait of Young Fire Heart, provided by a website visitor:



"Young Fire Heart settled on what was called Blackfeet Bottoms, twelve miles below Fort Yates along the Missouri River. Here he prospered many years. Before he died, he moved to Fort Yates. He was of the Catholic faith and was buried at the Catholic cementery there October 27, 1926."
(See: Witness: A Hunkpapha Historian's Strong-Heart Song of the Lakotas by Waggoner, Josephine, page 328)

[ladonna]

I can see his homeland from my work place here on Standing Rock