Post by kingsleybray on Jul 28, 2015 7:58:43 GMT -5
Friends, just as Dietmar guessed I have been out of regular internet contact for a few weeks. Exciting new information from cankpeopi, I will get to thinking about this!
A man named Little, who is also said to have had the name Charging Hawk (Cetan Watakpe), was involved in a dramatic confrontation at Pine Ridge Agency on November 17, 1890. An active Ghost Dancer, his arrest was ordered by the agent, but other Ghost Dancers intervened when the Indian police tried to arrest him. I don't know whether he is a connection to Amos Little?
I seen the photo of "Little" seated between to white men staring down at him, no resemblence to Amos Little, however I find it interesting that the name Charging Hawk is also a name of Brown Thunder I's brother and that Brown Thunder I and Old Red Woman have a son named "Little". Maybe a connection but maybe not. And of course Grampa Amos Little AKA Charles Ironhawk was raised by Ironhawk (son of Eating Beef and Moving Iron) and Lonewoman, daughter of Running Buffalo and Her Brown Cane (younger sister to Brown Thunder).
Lonewomans Uncle is is Brown Thunder, so its possible that Old Red Womans son "Little" could be raised by Ironhawk and Lonewoman however on census he is listed as nephew all the time except once where he is listed as son.
Thinking out loud here.........then were does "horse shoe", "shoe horse" come into play.
one thing to consider, a caveat; Amos Little was running from the law...........
Also one other note; the Horse Shoe on my family tree also had a first name "Abraham" Horse Shoe. I just recently found out that Ironhawk used a first name, "Abraham". Now are we talking about the same person? and is Amos Little/Charles Ironhawk only listed as nephew for the sake of hiding from the law.
Raises the question: is the son listed under Old Red Woman and Brown Thunder I really a grand son of theirs (Her Brown Cane sister to Brown Thunder daughter is Lonewoman married to Ironhawk)...........
Last Edit: Aug 2, 2015 15:25:29 GMT -5 by cankpeopi
In 1890/91 John C. H. Grabill repeatedly photographed the “Oglala band leader” LITTLE. Grabill described the photo as „Little, the instigator of Indian Revolt at Pine Ridge, 1890”. But whom or what he instigated, I could not find anything further. Only his photograph with the caption “LITTLE, the instigator…”. Here his photograph:
Somewhere I found statements that “Little, was released from the Deadwood jail, where he had been transferred after his arrest at Pine Ridge by Indian Police. Little had been formally charged with felonious assault (for rustling cattle?) on Standing Bear”. But later – under the new Indian Agent Daniel F. Royer - he was acquitted or freed (?).
Elsewhere he was called “the instigator of the Pine Ridge Massacre, 1890” (). And then there were also newspaper articles saying that “LITTLE WOUND, a "high priest" of the ghost dance religion, was blamed by Army officers on the scene with being the instigator of the Pine Ridge Agency revolt that led to the massacre on Wounded Knee Creek on Dec. 28, 1890”. Did Grabill mix LITTLE with Little Wound to sell a photograph? To me LITTLE remains so far an enigmatic person.
Maybe Kingsley or some descendants have more information?
When we look more intense at the picture of this LITTLE, it appears the man is amusing himself about the photographer - who has certainly asked him to put on the utensils. He looks certainly not like a man, who would have to worry about his future.
But one photo of Grabill shows Little with Marshall George Bartlett of Pine Ridge and a Chris Mathison (? who was he?).
Post by kingsleybray on Apr 8, 2016 3:49:46 GMT -5
In the first message in this thread I suggested that certain Sans Arc families listed in the SITTING BULL SURRENDER LEDGER correspond to the Mazpegneke band. They were people who had been among the non-treaty Lakotas who moved to Canada in period 1877-81 after the Great Sioux War.
I now think that another element of this tiyospaye surrendered at Spotted Tail Agency in December 1876. In a report in the Agency files dated January 4, 1877, military agent Lt. H. Neide reported the recent surrender of 80 Lakotas "returned from the North". They were disarmed and dismounted. Here is Neide's list:
Knock off two, 2 people Stray Horse, 1 Red Eagle, 13 Red Fox, 5 Iron on the Head, 6 Plenty Star, 19 Big Warrior, 1 White Magpie, 2 Fire Cloud, 6 Red Bull, 6 Yellow White Man, 4 Running Close, 8 Jerk on a Butt, 7.
I reviewed this list with a Lakota friend. He felt these people were mainly Itazipcho. We noted the presence of Iron on the Head, a variant of the band name Mazpegneke (Metal Hair Ornaments). Red Fox was also a Mazpegneke, though he had lived among the Oyuhpe band of Oglalas in the 1860s (where was a young headman or wakicunze). This man later lived at Cheyenne River, was the father (possibly step-father) of Thomas Blue Eyes. Fire Cloud was also Mazpegneke, according to my friend.
I wanted to post this pronto -- it remains to be seen whether these people were among those Northern Nation Lakotas who fled to Canada in 1877-78, or whether they remained on the Reservation. I have information from Red Fox's Indian Scout Pension record, which indicates that he relocated to Cheyenne River (home agency for the Sans Arcs) in 1878. A man named White Magpie is listed with the Miniconjou in the Sept. 1881 Standing Rock census. There is a boy age 10 in the Sans Arc census at Standing Rock in Sept. 1881 called Running Close By. He cannot be the family head at Spotted Tail in 1876, BUT note that the boy's family (no. 277 in the census enumeration) falls within the cluster I suggested were Mazpegneke! There is no father listed in this family, just six children and their mother -- maybe () the father Running Close had died and his family (reduced from 8 to 7 people) is represented here. Some interesting maybes .........
Post by kingsleybray on Apr 8, 2016 6:07:50 GMT -5
An update on Red Fox and Iron on the Head.
"Iron on head" and family of 8 appear on the January 1875 census taken at Spotted Tail Agency. So does "Red Yellow Fox" and family of 9. I feel reasonably confident that Iron on Head is the same man as the surrendering "Iron on the Head" in December 1876, and that he is a headman of the Mazpegneke band of Sans Arcs. I'm not sure of the Red Yellow Fox equation with Red Fox.
However, the 1877 census at Spotted Tail helps define things further. In May-June the census was conducted. Both Iron on Head (family of 3) and Red Fox (family of 4) are listed as part of the Loafer band. That is the combined Corn-Owners band plus the Spotted Tail Agency contingent of the Wagluhe (Loafer) band -- the rest of which was at Red Cloud Agency. Note both these men were living in one of the regular agency bands -- and not with the Miniconjou and Sans Arc camps which had surrendered at Spotted Tail in spring 1877.
I suspect that Red Fox and Iron on the Head were drawn into the following of the Corn-Owners band chief Swift Bear early in 1877, soon after their surrender.
The census was conducted again in December 1877, after the agency was relocated to the Missouri. This time we find that Iron on the Head is still part of the Corn-Loafer band. Red Fox had moved his family (now 6 people including a new man, Bull Walks Behind) to the "Northern Camp", those surrendered Northern Lakotas (chiefly Miniconjous-Sans Arcs) who had NOT fled to Canada during the fall 1877 removal of the agency.
Then in October 1878 the census was conducted again, and changes noted from the census of the previous December. Red Fox and family of 6, including Bull Walks Behind, are noted as among those "who have left the Agency" since December. This tallies with a statement in Red Fox's pension file, that he relocated to Cheyenne River Agency in 1878.
Iron on the Head remained on the rolls at Spotted Tail Agency, soon to become Rosebud Agency. However, he also seems to have removed his family to Cheyenne River in the 1880s. He appears, aged 70, in the 1886 Cheyenne River census.
Post by kingsleybray on Apr 8, 2016 6:48:00 GMT -5
Spotted Tail Agency census, May-June 1877.
A preliminary search shows what happened to several of the families from the Mazpegneke band of Sans Arcs after their surrender in December 1876.
Beside Iron on the Head and Red Fox, three other families were enrolled with the Corn-Loafer band: Plenty Star - family of 10 (incl. Looking Tomahawk + Black Bugle) Fire Cloud - family of 7 Red Eagle - family of 13 (incl. Left Hand + Skinner)
One family, Knock off Two (3 people) enrolled with Brule band.
One family, Running Close (8 people, incl. Charging), enrolled with Wazhazha band.
Spotted Tail Agency census, December 1877.
Knock off Two, now 4 people incl. Throws him, still with Brule band.
Running Close, 8 people, incl. Charging Hawk, still with Wazhazha band.
Fire Cloud, now 10 people incl. Hard + Loose sight [sic], still with Corn-Loafer band.
Red Eagle, now 9 people, still with Corn-Loafer band.
It is significant that the surrender of this group of people, total 80 souls, occurred early, well before the mass surrenders of spring 1877. It must have been easier for the band to be broken up and dispersed among relatives in the established bands permanently resident at Spotted Tail Agency (the Brule, Corn-Loafer, and Wazhazha were the main, host bands at STA). This process of dissolving Northern, non-treaty, so-called 'hostile' bands was a goal, however, of agency chiefs and Army administrators. In this way many Miniconjou and Sans Arc people were absorbed into the agency bands at Spotted Tail Agency (relocated and renamed Rosebud from summer 1878). It is part of a bigger trend whereby we see population shifting from the northern agencies like Cheyenne River to Rosebud and Pine Ridge across the late 19th century, and why several tiyospaye from the north disperse and disappear. Now we have a good concrete example in the case of the Mazpegneke band.
Regarding Red Fox: You know that there were several Red Foxes, we talked about it in an earlier thread. I wonder which one is in the 1877 list.
Red Fox´s family was present at the Little Bighorn in June 1876. The father of Thomas Blue Eyes was a Minicojou, who settled at Cheyenne River. He later changed his name (for unknown reasons) from Red Fox to Red Prairie Dog. The latter name appears in census records of Cheyenne River from around 1890 to 1900. However, his descendants today still bear the name Red Fox. Thomas Blue Eyes, his mixed-blood son, was also known under his Indian name Kills Two. Perhaps an indication for a relation to Knocks Off Two listed here?
A man named White Magpie was photographed by L.A. Huffman around 1880 a couple of times, for example in a group photo with the Minicojou leader Hump. He might be the man listed in 1877.
Post by kingsleybray on Apr 8, 2016 10:08:48 GMT -5
where is the thread where we discussed various Red Foxes, Dietmar?
Red Fox, Oglala delegate to Washington in 1870 (in group photo with Red Dog, Rocky Bear et al.), was -- according to my sources -- the same man who was the father of Thomas Blue Eyes. He was born Sans Arc (always blurred with Miniconjou) into the Mazpegneke tiyospaye. He married an Oyuhpe woman, and reportedly joined that Oglala band after the death of his oldest son in battle. He seems to have been a wakicunze in Oyuhpe band council c. 1865 and 1867 -- and again perhaps in 1870 when he is photographed with the appropriate pipe, pipe bag.
At some point in the 1870s he seems to make the move back to his natal band.
According to his Scout Pension record he was born c. 1833 and died 1911 at Cheyenne River.
One of his alternate names, mentioned in the Pension notes, was San Oni, i.e. "Saone", that old name that identified various northern Teton divisions. In Scudder Mekeel's 1931 Field Notes is an observation that Thomas Blue Eyes (son of Red Fox) was a Saoni, and that the Saoni were equivalent to a part of the Sans Arcs. After my conversation yesterday, I am confident that the name Saoni 'originally' identified a cluster of tiyospaye -- incl. True Sans Arcs, Bull Dung, and Mazpegneke -- that comprised a major grouping within the Sans Arcs. Years ago Victor Douville spoke to me of the Minishala (Red Water) band (the keepers of the Calf Pipe) merging with another group, what he called "the other part of the Sans Arcs", to form the historic Sans Arc (Itazipcho) tribal division. The Saoni cluster of bands is equivalent to what Victor called 'the other part of the Sans Arcs.'The Minishala included the tiyospaye Minishala proper, Tiyopa Chanupa, Woluta-yuta, Red Cloth Earring. Another band, Shikshichela, were late migrants who joined the Sans Arcs (in 1762 acc. to my new information). Note that their place in the Sans Arc tribal circle was between the two groupings I've identified.
I think we talk about the same man, Ashley Red Fox aka Red Prairie Dog, born 1829 and died 1911, but I haven´t heard that he could be the delegate of 1870. Very interesting. He settled at Cherry Creek, where - as I´ve been told - all the Minicojous at Cheyenne River were.
Dietmar: about the wonderful image of "Sioux delegation 1870" (photographer?) can you post a clipping (as well for Red Fox) of the three other unknown chiefs Living Bear - Rocky Bear and Bear Skin? And can anyone to add a brief bio of them? (date of birth and death, band of belonged, indian name, etc...). Thanks.