natethegreat
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Post by natethegreat on Aug 11, 2019 4:55:21 GMT -5
Thank you Jasper for clearing that up that kind of lowers what I thought about the US government back in the 1860s I thought that was Confederate that did that to Mangos Colorado's
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 14, 2019 12:23:08 GMT -5
The chihennes descendants never mentioned that he was a captive but an apache by birth. Writer Eve Ball, who interviewed about 60 mescaleros and chihennes descendants of Victorio's band, including James Kaywaykla (a boy during the battle of Tres Castillos), said his informants told her that Victorio was totally Apache. Kaywaykla said: "If it wasn't, Nana would have told me." Moses and Raymond Loco, grandsons of Loco, said Victorio was not Mexican, adding: "None of the Apache stories about him consider him anything other than an Apache, and if he had been Mexican, that fact would have been a key part of every story told about him." father and son aka charles Attachments:
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natethegreat
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Post by natethegreat on Aug 15, 2019 4:56:24 GMT -5
I've seen that picture before but I have heard from sources and other people say that that picture is not really victorio I have heard that there is no official picture of Victoria all that exists that has ever been confirmed
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Post by josephine on Aug 15, 2019 17:31:04 GMT -5
Frank Randall took the photo of "Beitero, Apache Mohave" (then Yavapai or perhaps a mixed group of Pinal Apache and Kvevkepaya Yavapai) at the end of 1886 or early in 1887 in San Carlos. It is obvious that this cannot be the great Beduiat - of the Mimbres-Tchihendè - who was notoriously killed in October 1880 in Tres Castillos.
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 16, 2019 9:38:05 GMT -5
I've seen that picture before but I have heard from sources and other people say that that picture is not really victorio I have heard that there is no official picture of Victoria all that exists that has ever been confirmed what other people as who father and son. Or this your pov is fine and books written by humans are suspect or I have pov or better asked elders who are now gone. Yet your pov ok are you inde |
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 16, 2019 9:45:03 GMT -5
Frank Randall took the photo of "Beitero, Apache Mohave" (then Yavapai or perhaps a mixed group of Pinal Apache and Kvevkepaya Yavapai) at the end of 1886 or early in 1887 in San Carlos. It is obvious that this cannot be the great Beduiat - of the Mimbres-Tchihendè - who was notoriously killed in October 1880 in Tres Castillos. randall did not take picture on left, mimbres is a old culture. mimbreno is what mexicans called the nde of ojo caliente and cite your sources. POV are fine everybody has one or this words by ndaa make some experts or to be frank I have asked Eve Ball RIP and POW nde RIP. yet so be it |
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Post by josephine on Aug 16, 2019 18:12:04 GMT -5
That Randall took the photo of Beitero (not Biduye) in San Carlos in 1886-87 is a fact, not a point of view. Get better information.
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 17, 2019 3:32:30 GMT -5
Hi, calm down. I made this montage trying to prove, at this time, the man left looks like Istee and was certainly Victorio. But i think I was wrong.
In fact the only period when Victorio could be photograph was between may and august 1877 in San Carlos.
I think, it was at this time Loco and Nana were photographed each in front of their wickiup with some members of their family. Maybe it was the case for Victorio. We have just to find the photo.
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Post by jasper4 on Aug 19, 2019 11:05:16 GMT -5
Hi, calm down. I made this montage trying to prove, at this time, the man left looks like Istee and was certainly Victorio. But i think I was wrong. In fact the only period when Victorio could be photograph was between may and august 1877 in San Carlos. I think, it was at this time Loco and Nana were photographed each in front of their wickiup with some members of their family. Maybe it was the case for Victorio. We have just to find the photo. no problem here I find if you look at the pic, the son favors the father. |
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 19, 2019 14:27:38 GMT -5
ME too, I thought the same when I post this montage.
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Post by ixtlil on Feb 14, 2021 15:58:33 GMT -5
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