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Post by tiswin on Feb 27, 2011 16:57:21 GMT -5
Have any of you read Herman Lehmann's book "Nine Years Among The Indians?" Now, Herman Lehmann is long dead, but he was kidnapped as a young boy in the Texas Hill Country {Fredericksburg) and lived with Apaches, and in fact became a respected Apache warrior. In a fit, a shaman who did not like him tried to kill him, and Herman killed the shaman. So he then became a target of the surviving family and he left the Apaches and joined the Comanches, and lived with them several years until Quana Parker persuaded him to go back to his own people in Texas. The book is really cool because it follows Herman after he is re-introduced to the White-eyes and never fully re-assimilates into their society. One only imagines what happened to Jimmy McKinn. The lack of re-assimilation of young white captives was actually common.
Anyway the book is available on Amazon, is a good read, especially for people interested in a broad understanding of Apaches
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Post by xframe on Feb 27, 2011 18:52:49 GMT -5
Have any of you read Herman Lehmann's book "Nine Years Among The Indians?" Now, Herman Lehmann is long dead, but he was kidnapped as a young boy in the Texas Hill Country {Fredericksburg) and lived with Apaches, and in fact became a respected Apache warrior. In a fit, a shaman who did not like him tried to kill him, and Herman killed the shaman. So he then became a target of the surviving family and he left the Apaches and joined the Comanches, and lived with them several years until Quana Parker persuaded him to go back to his own people in Texas. The book is really cool because it follows Herman after he is re-introduced to the White-eyes and never fully re-assimilates into their society. One only imagines what happened to Jimmy McKinn. The lack of re-assimilation of young white captives was actually common. Anyway the book is available on Amazon, is a good read, especially for people interested in a broad understanding of Apaches Thanks for that advise tiswin, sounds really intersting! I'm just in the middle of the book "The Apache Indians: In Search of the Missing Tribe" from Helge Ingstad. I mentioned it in another thread already yesterday. I really like it. It's so good to get more infos about the great "Yahnozha", although the book is also full of tragedy and sad stories too. But it's a fascinating thing to learn that obviously a couple of Apaches did hide after Geronimos surrender till about 1930 in the Sierra Madres. I heard that here and there, but it's the first book for me with more detailed infos about this. Thanks again to "Naiches2" that way  |
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Post by tiswin on Feb 27, 2011 19:54:14 GMT -5
hello xframe, I believe I answered your post yesterday about the folks who stayed in the sierra madres after Geronimo's surrender. I will research your Ingstad book! The book I have is "They Never Surrendered: Bronco Apaches of the Sierra Madres, 1890-1935" by Douglas Meed. I'll have to be intillectually honest and say I don't believe that Apaches raided in Mexico and NM until 1935, but for a few years after 1886, a few straglers raided , and the Apache Kid maybe by himself or with cohorts. Thanks for posting his picture and mentioning him
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Post by xframe on Feb 28, 2011 3:26:57 GMT -5
hello xframe, I believe I answered your post yesterday about the folks who stayed in the sierra madres after Geronimo's surrender. I will research your Ingstad book! The book I have is "They Never Surrendered: Bronco Apaches of the Sierra Madres, 1890-1935" by Douglas Meed. I'll have to be intillectually honest and say I don't believe that Apaches raided in Mexico and NM until 1935, but for a few years after 1886, a few straglers raided , and the Apache Kid maybe by himself or with cohorts. Thanks for posting his picture and mentioning him Yeah, I just recognized again that you answered to the other post  Personally I think it depends on how you look at the whole thing....of course there were no huge raidings happen anymore, like in the past. When you read the book from Ingsad it seems more that pretty poor people were hidding there under the worst conditions you can think of. And the few cases were they captured some of them and even killed couple of women, old men and children are very convincing and more or less proven facts in that area. How many Apaches it were during that period nobody did ever find out. That's why it is still a lil mystery. |
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 28, 2011 3:43:29 GMT -5
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:25:34 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper.
It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs.
Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs.
Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members.
When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them.
Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles.
I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important.
I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely,
Siggy Jumper
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