I need help with a Cheyenne Standing in the Water

[beapolka]

I am interested in a Cheyenne Chief genealogy by the name of Standing in the Water. He was part of a delegation that went to the White House and he was also killed at Sand Creek. I am trying to find out who his sons/daughters and/or wives were. My great grandfather was "Over" Russell Standing Water who married "Crooked Nose" Mariam Mann. Her father was Big White Man or Big White Red Man and he was married to White Buffalo Woman.

Any help or knowledge would be great!!

[Dietmar]

Bea,

welcome to these message boards. We´re glad to have you here.

I hope we can find some information about your ancestor over the next days.

Best wishes

Dietmar

[charlie]

STANDING IN THE WATER (MAP E'VA NI IST'S).
Born in 1814 (?) - Southern Cheyenne - In March 1863 he visited Washington and meet President Lincoln. Then, he visited New York where meet showman Barnum.
He died in 29 November 1864 at Sand Creek.
I don't know at which band he belonged.

[kingsleybray]

charlie

According to Peter Powell's PEOPLE OF THE SACRED MOUNTAIN, Standing in Water belonged in 1854 to the Wutapiu band

[Dietmar]

Belinda,

I compiled the following information from census records at Ancestry.com:

„Over“ Russel Standing Water, born 1885

wife: “Crooked Nose” Mariam or Miriam Mann, born 1887

son: “Spotted Horse” Fred Standing Water, born 1906
son: Carl Standing Water, born 1908
son: Woodrow Standing Water, born 1913
son: Mack Standing Water, born 1914
daughter: Emma Standing Water, born 1923

stepfather: “White Voice” White Wolf, born 1861, widowed

parents of Miriam Mann:
father: Big White Man, born 1841, died 1891
wife: White Buffalo Woman, born 1852

brother: Spotted Horse (Fred Mann), born 1888
sister: Walking, born 1890


I´m not sure if all above is complete, but hope it helps for further research.

Best

Dietmar

[Dietmar]

Some more infos from Powell:

Standing in the Water was born in 1814. In 1854 he is mentioned as one of the Cheyenne men who smoked the pipe with the Kiowas to participated in a revenge raid on the Pawnee.
He then was a member of Bear Feather´s (aka Old Bark) band of Wutapios.

In 1863 he was part of the Southern Plains delegation who visited Washington. He went as Chief of the Southern Elk Horn Scrapers aka Crooked Lances, a leading warrior society of the Cheyenne. War Bonnet, who went too, was his cousin.

Father Peter J. Powell identified the Cheyenne in the below photo as followed:

“Starving Bear [Lean Bear] stands at the right, holding the long-stemmed pipe of a Council Chief. Nearly fifty winters old, he had sat in the sacred circle of the Fouty-four [council chiefs] since 1854, representing his Hese-omee-taneo-o. War Bonnet sits next to him, holding his Chief´s pipe (however it is possible that War Bonnet is standing at the right, with Starving Bear seated in the center). A cousin of the great White Antelope, as well as Chief of the Oevemanaho, War Bonnet was some fifty-nine winters old at this time. Standing in the water, cousin of War Bonnet, sits beside his relative. He, as a warrior society headman, does not carry the long-stemmed pipe of a Council Chief. Standing in the water was about forty-nine winters old at this time. A mature and respected leader of the fighting men.”
(see Peter J. Powell: People of the Sacred Mountain, Volume I, page 246)



After visiting Washington Standing in the Water is said to had been the most deeply committed of all Elkhorn Scraper Society Chiefs to maintaining peace with the Whites.
Nevertheless he was among the Cheyennes killed at Sand Creek in 1864.

[wyman]

Hey Kingsley, check your mailbox!

[charlie]

Wu'tapiu (a Sioux word meaning "eaters"), the band led by Black Kettle!
This last belonged to Suh'tai or Sutaio (meaning unknow) band by birth, but become Wu'tapiu by marriage.
About the others two chief I have:
- Lean Bear (brother of the famous Bull Bear, the last chief of the warrior society "Dog Soldiers) belonged to the Hisiometa'nio (Ridge Men) band, the same of White Antelope;
- War Bonnet (Ka Ko Yu'i Si Nih) belonged to Oi'vimana (Scabby People) band.
Any curiosity: also the O'mi'sis band is translate as "eaters" but its origin is disputed.
Some authorities claiming it as the name of an early chief of the division and others done the meaning of the name as "plain".
Still, about the Suh'tai: some authors said that the meaning is "people left behind".
p.s. my info from "The Cheyenne Indians - Their history and ways of life" (G. Grinnell)

[jesperolsen]

Hello everybody,
I am new here. I am doing research on Cheyenne language and I would be very grateful if anybody could help with the translation of some sentences. Thank you very much,
Jesper Olsen

[shatonska]

Dec 17, 2010 10:14:04 GMT -5 Dietmar said:

Father Peter J. Powell identified the Cheyenne in the below photo as followed:

“Starving Bear [Lean Bear] stands at the right, holding the long-stemmed pipe of a Council Chief. Nearly fifty winters old, he had sat in the sacred circle of the Fouty-four [council chiefs] since 1854, representing his Hese-omee-taneo-o. War Bonnet sits next to him, holding his Chief´s pipe (however it is possible that War Bonnet is standing at the right, with Starving Bear seated in the center).Standing in the water, cousin of War Bonnet, sits beside his relative. He, as a warrior society headman, does not carry the long-stemmed pipe of a Council Chief.
(see Peter J. Powell: People of the Sacred Mountain, Volume I, page 246)

just based on facial resemblance i can suggest that War Bonnet is the one standing (same square face as his cousin Standing in the water)

while Lean Bear in the middle has an almost oval face similar to his brother Bull Bear in the camp Weld photo

i guessed Lean Bear was the one standing (due to his headchief pose) but resemblance points in the other direction

[beapolka]

I had not seen these pictures before, thank you all so much for your information.

[karla]

As a child, I visited relatives in Barnitz, Oklahoma.  One of my Aunt and Uncle's neighbors was Fred Standing Water and his wife, I think her name was Ada. This would have been back in the early '60's.  My Grandmother told me they were very poor and had a lot of children running around.  We actually did visit them, and while they didn't have much, they were very gracious and generous to us.  Grandma visited them several times and they always had a big pot of soup or stew that they would cook outside over an open fire in a big cast iron pot.  She said they offered her some and Fred told her to "dig deep; dog in the bottom". Whether that was true or not, I don't know, but she wasn't one to tell lies.  I just remember them as very nice, friendly people.  If you want more information, I'd suggest you try a genealogy site like Ancestry.com; Native American records tend to be sparse and if a relative has started a tree, it could prove to be a valuable resource.  Good luck in your search.