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Post by kayitah on Jul 23, 2010 15:39:52 GMT -5
here's one of a man at the San Carlos reservation, late 19th century Attachments:
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:30:04 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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Post by tiswin on Mar 13, 2011 17:25:34 GMT -5
actually Siggy, the Seminoles kidnapped black slaves from the Southern plantations. They became Indians just like the white captives who were kidnapped by the Apaches and Comanches. Just as Gen. Crook used Apache scouts to bring in the renegades, the Dept of Texas at Ft Clark used Seminole scouts, Black Seminole scouts. They were black and as Indian as you can get. There is a cemetery about a a mile and a half SW of present day Brackettville, Tx (the site where the john wayne "alamo" was shot, the Alamo Fascade still stands there"..... Anyway, there are five... count them FIVE Medal of Honor winners, BLACK Seminole Indian Scouts in that cemetery, How do I know?? I've been to that cemetery many times PS they did not shoot " The Alamo" at the cemetery, but at Brackettville, Tx
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Post by tiswin on Mar 13, 2011 19:03:31 GMT -5
And P.S. getting back to the thread, did circa 1890 photagraphers have overhead lighting like in this photo? could be Kayita's photo for his new book!
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Post by kayitah on Mar 16, 2011 18:08:28 GMT -5
Hmm I think you're right, tiswin. So I re-checked and found out that the photograph was made during the reclamation service at Roosevelt Dam, which was between 1903 and 1907. Here are the other photographs that came with the one I have already posted. I bougt them at Ebay years ago. left - Western Apache woman with her baby center - Chilchuana, Tonto Apache chief right - Tonto Apache girl with basket Probably all of them are from the same camp, so we can assume that they all belong to Chilchuana's band of Tonto Apaches. Attachments:
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Post by tiswin on Mar 17, 2011 19:01:06 GMT -5
I was not being disrespectful to you, please believe that. Please keep posting photos!!!!
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Post by kayitah on Mar 23, 2011 5:58:54 GMT -5
I was not being disrespectful to you, please believe that. Please keep posting photos!!!! never mind, I didn't have that impression anyway
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 23, 2011 16:02:11 GMT -5
I need a help in identification... Who are this women? I I want to believe that are Chiricahua. Can you ideas? Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Mar 23, 2011 16:27:00 GMT -5
I need a help in identification... Who are this women? I I want to believe that are Chiricahua. Can you ideas? A very nice image, thank you Naiches! Do you know the photographer or the year/place it was taken? That could really help with identification. To me, they look like Chiricahua. Could be Nah-bay's baby girl and his wife. This may be at Fort Sam Houston, but only because I have no other idea where this fine photograph might have been taken
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 23, 2011 17:01:37 GMT -5
Not anything information, my friend. But this is not exactly Fort Houston because women are too smartly and richly dressed.
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Post by jeroen on Mar 24, 2011 11:40:36 GMT -5
Great image, never seen it before! I would say they may well be Chiricahua ( the woman at left looks very familiar), but I agree with Naiches this is probably not Fort Houston... My guess is Mount Vernon...
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Post by coeurrouge on Mar 25, 2011 13:41:18 GMT -5
I guess too, that they were Chiricahua women at certainly Mobile selling stuff. Maybe they were mother, daughters and grandaughter.
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 26, 2011 3:45:51 GMT -5
Another shot from Alabama (?) Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Mar 26, 2011 3:53:10 GMT -5
Zele perhaps?
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 26, 2011 6:21:42 GMT -5
Oh, yeah! You have a good eyes... (because you're an artist )
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