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Post by naiches2 on Dec 13, 2010 16:05:43 GMT -5
Earlier, Perico identified the man next to Naiche in the image above, and seen in full length below, as Harold Dick, a Nedni Apache, and his Apache name is Nahn-tee-nesn. This Nah-tee-nesn is also mentioned by Sweeney; however he clearly identifies him as a Chokonen from Naiche's band, and related to Chihuahua. What is more important, Sweeney says Nahn tee nesn was a scout for the US army, implying he was not a member of the Geronimo/Naiche group in 1886. Any thoughts on that? I think this person was an influential man, because on Fly's photo (Geronimo, Crook and others) he is sitting in the second round of the negotiators (behind Henry W. Daly, Chief Packer for General G. Crook.). But after he disappears from the photos! Its not at the train's photo or on the photo of Chihuahua's men at Ft. Marion.
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Post by kayitah on Dec 13, 2010 16:18:23 GMT -5
I saw him identified as Hustinney in Betzinez' "I fought with Geronimo". Instead, Cullah is identified as Harold Dick, while the mysterious man in white is once again misidentified as Naiché.
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Post by jeroen on Dec 15, 2010 12:40:48 GMT -5
Since, as Naiches points out, he was not with Chihuahua's group, nor with Naiche and Geronimo, could this be Nat-cul-bay-e, also known as Jose Maria Elias, Chokonen and one of the small group that split from Naiche just before the final surrender in september 1886 (along with Atelinietze)?
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Post by jeroen on Dec 24, 2010 6:34:11 GMT -5
I got this scan from Henri, anybody knows who this fellow is?
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 26, 2010 6:00:27 GMT -5
Man posted above is Sergeant Jim from White Mountains. I took this scan from a book about Wittick - Shadows on glass: the Indian world of Ben Wittick. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Dec 26, 2010 6:10:18 GMT -5
And more Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Jan 4, 2011 8:05:22 GMT -5
Yes, that's him... he did look very familiar... thanks Naiches!
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Post by xframe on Feb 17, 2011 13:30:54 GMT -5
Hi shan, you're right, there are two slightly different versions of the famous image of Perico, Geronimo, Naiché, and Fun. Below are both versions. First of all HELLO to all members here I discovered this Forum today and can't express how happy I'm about it. Interested in the Apache history since ages, but never saw a forum with more information about all the people who fought with the famous leaders. So thanks a lot to you guys who do gather all this information with all their hearts - It is simply amazing *thumbs up* ;D I have read here now the whole afternoon and I do apologize upfront if my question is already cleared or will cause another effort to answer BUT I'm also slightly confused concerning the identification regarding Fun. From my point of view the man right next to Naiche in the photo above and the man at the famous train picture (sitting left hand side) in the front is not the same person. Both man you guys identified here as Fun. I would say the similarity of the warrior at the train photo and the one Shan mentioned (the one next to Geronimo with Yahnosha, riffle etc) does match a lot more!? And I remember that I found on a native Forum (http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/) a year ago the info that the man right to Naiche is Tsisnah. Unfortunately the site seems not existing anymore. Just tried to check the info there. Sorry if this cares for confusion, but your opinion on here would be much appreciated Cheers from Germany Frank
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Post by xframe on Feb 19, 2011 6:56:49 GMT -5
OK - Now I checked more or less all Apache related threads and my question above looks now very dumb haha - sorry for this. Regarding the identification of Fun in that pictures I mentioned there is of course no doubt anymore!
But I do have another question. Concerning the one famous "Victorio" photo. What's the latest status? Is it him, or is there still a debate going on about it?
Cheers
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 19, 2011 11:54:37 GMT -5
Yes, bebates doing. For me is not Victorio.
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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 19, 2011 13:10:46 GMT -5
For me, he is this man but Perico said absoulty no and he maybe right.
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Post by kayitah on Feb 19, 2011 14:48:53 GMT -5
The person on the "Victorio photo" certainly is another man. I don't think there's a photograph of Victorio, just like there is none of many important men - Cochise, Juh, Mangas Coloradas, Delshay etc.
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Post by xframe on Feb 19, 2011 15:41:40 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for your answers guys. Makes it a lot more clear for me now. Being a bit shocked/surprised about how many faults you still find on other good webpages regarding the identification of important man of the history.
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Post by jeroen on Feb 20, 2011 14:36:06 GMT -5
Hello Xframe, good to have you on these boards... For what it is worth, lieutenant Gatewood, who knew and met Victorio on several occasions, described Victorio as heavy set, and the man in the famous image does not look thick... so the man in the image may very well be another man... still I am not 100% sure...
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 22, 2011 16:10:49 GMT -5
Wheeler Expedition, Timothy O'Sullivan, Camp Apache, 1873 Attachments:
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