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Post by Mithlo on Apr 13, 2011 21:23:53 GMT -5
quote author=kayitah board=chiricahua thread=1112 post=9428time=1302465111]Thanks a lot for the images, sasja and bobby! Does anyone have a picture of Duncan Balatchu?[/quote] ---------------------------------------------------- Kayihtah, Here you go! Enjoy!Left to Right: Dexter Loco, Oliver Bitchaict, and Duncan BalachuAttachments:
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Post by kayitah on Apr 14, 2011 4:32:16 GMT -5
Thank you so much, Mithlo!
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Post by jeroen on Apr 14, 2011 9:28:04 GMT -5
Mithlo, do you, by any chance, have a picture of (Ira) Goso as well?
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 14, 2011 12:34:15 GMT -5
Goso, born in 1868, entered Carlisle July 8 1888 and died of TB April 3 1890. In almost two years at Carlisle he must "surely" show up in group photograph's, but which one is him? Not identified! I too would like to see this young man. Mithlo, do you, by any chance, have a picture of (Ira) Goso as well?
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 14, 2011 12:45:22 GMT -5
Goso entered Carlisle the 8 of July 1888 with Chappo, Zhonne and Hunlona. I think they was the last Chiricahua, so old, to enter Carlisle.
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 14, 2011 15:47:40 GMT -5
I must respectfully disaggree on the ID's. The photo was taken here at Fort Sill in 1895. The identification here is Back: Naiche, and his mother Dos-teh-seh. Front: Jane Naiche (1892-1916, E-clah-heh (1859-1909), wife of Naiche, May Naiche (1888-1902), and Bah-nas-kli Naiche (1884-1910). Dorothy Naiche was still away at Carlisle at the time. The boy, Bah-nas-kli, and all three girls, Dorothy, Jane, and May were children of Naiche and E-clah-heh. Paul Naiche (1878-1898) was also still away at school in 1895 ( at Hampton in Virginia). Paul was the son of Naiche and Nah-de-yole. NOTE:.......There is another name for the "144", Bah-nas-kli Naiche------ born in"1884"!!!!!! Coeurrouge, in the Naiche and family image I don't see a woman that could be either Nah de yole or Eh clah eh... they are all Naiche's children, the boy is Paul indeed... the old woman next to Naiche is is mother Dos teh seh...
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 15, 2011 6:46:29 GMT -5
Thanks ! I have already change my mind about the identification of the woman to arrive at the conclusion that she was E-Clah-Eh. Do you know the date of birth of Lena and Peter Naiche, others children of Naiche and Nah-De-Yole. Do you know the apache name of Paul, Lena and Peter Naiche? Also if somebody have photos of Nah-De-Yole and her children, I will thank you.
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 15, 2011 6:51:34 GMT -5
I guess Bah-Nas-Kli stay with his wounded mother and his sister Deh-Kluh-Kizhee (Dorothy)on march 1886 than follow his father on the last escape, right?
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Post by jeroen on Apr 15, 2011 11:17:17 GMT -5
Are you certain the lady is E clah eh? I am pretty sure the portrait of Naiche and wife (the woman with the scarf, see Naiche thread) does not show Haozinne, as is often assumed, but rather E clah eh, and she does not look alike.... But if so, then that lady may well be Nah de yole...
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 15, 2011 11:23:19 GMT -5
I compare and compare the photo of the couple on 1884 and this 11 years after. I am sure that she was the same woman, indeed E-Clah-Eh.
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Post by jeroen on Apr 15, 2011 11:37:25 GMT -5
I wish I could be as certain as you... I am quite sure the lady in the couple image is in fact E clah eh and I don't see the resemblance like you, but, given the time difference and different situation in which both photographs were taken, you may be right.
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Post by Mithlo on Apr 15, 2011 11:55:25 GMT -5
Paul Naiche (1878-1898), Lena Naiche (1887-1899), and Peter Naiche (1892-1898). No Apache names given on their records. Hope this info helps. Thanks ! I have already change my mind about the identification of the woman to arrive at the conclusion that she was E-Clah-Eh. Do you know the date of birth of Lena and Peter Naiche, others children of Naiche and Nah-De-Yole. Do you know the apache name of Paul, Lena and Peter Naiche? Also if somebody have photos of Nah-De-Yole and her children, I will thank you.
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Post by kayitah on Apr 15, 2011 14:16:18 GMT -5
I wish I could be as certain as you... I am quite sure the lady in the couple image is in fact E clah eh and I don't see the resemblance like you, but, given the time difference and different situation in which both photographs were taken, you may be right. I agree that the woman that poses with Naiché in the Wittick/Randall image isn't Haozinne. The same woman is also seen in a later photograph, where she is with Naiché and their children. Give me some time to find it...
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Post by kayitah on Apr 15, 2011 15:47:10 GMT -5
here it is - definetely not Haozinne, but the same woman as in the Wittick/Randall photograph Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Apr 15, 2011 16:34:39 GMT -5
Paul Naiche (1878-1898), Lena Naiche (1887-1899), and Peter Naiche (1892-1898). No Apache names given on their records. Hope this info helps. Thanks ! I have already change my mind about the identification of the woman to arrive at the conclusion that she was E-Clah-Eh. Do you know the date of birth of Lena and Peter Naiche, others children of Naiche and Nah-De-Yole. Do you know the apache name of Paul, Lena and Peter Naiche? Also if somebody have photos of Nah-De-Yole and her children, I will thank you. Thanks, Mithlo! It means that Nah-De-Yole and Naiche have no children between 1878 and 1886 or niether that survived. It could mean that they possibly lost children of Malaria, killed by Mexican or taken as captive by them.
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