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Post by bobby on Apr 3, 2011 18:44:28 GMT -5
the above photo of Teenah was taken ca 1901 in Cuba and the photo below at the Chief Chihuahua Cemetery near Fort Sill. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Apr 3, 2011 18:55:58 GMT -5
But who buried in New Mexico?
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Post by bobby on May 21, 2011 15:07:43 GMT -5
Chihuahua and family. Emily married Paul Tee (Teenah, 1878-1907). Ramona married Asa Daklugie. I think that the person you identified as Ramona is really Ilth-Gozey. Here's some comparison: Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on May 21, 2011 19:47:53 GMT -5
true
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Post by Mithlo on May 22, 2011 0:14:18 GMT -5
Go-zey in 1886 (not 1885), Go-zey in 1895, and again in 1912, she has beautiful full lips and mouth is straight across. Ramona on the other hand (1895),her lips have an obvious downwards "droop" on the ends. Go-zey was my great great aunt (by marrage of course). She married my great great uncle Victor Biete soon after Chief Chihuahua's death. Known also as Mary Biete and Leah Biete, most still called her "Go-zey". Victor Biete died in Feb. 1911. In the 1912 photograph Go-zey is 58 or 59 years old. Beautiful woman!!!!!!!!
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Post by naiches2 on May 27, 2011 17:23:44 GMT -5
Yes, these women are similar, as a mother and daughter. I'm still my opinion, sorry.
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Post by D. Lesniak on Dec 3, 2014 15:49:11 GMT -5
Do you have any info on Archie McIntosh he was a scout for Crook and supposedly played an active role in Ulzana's Raid. Some sources claim he is the character played by Burt Lancaster in the movie. I have never seen the movie but am interested in Archie's participation. He may have been using a more Native American version of his name at this time.
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Post by jasper4 on Dec 12, 2014 17:33:02 GMT -5
Do you have any info on Archie McIntosh he was a scout for Crook and supposedly played an active role in Ulzana's Raid. Some sources claim he is the character played by Burt Lancaster in the movie. I have never seen the movie but am interested in Archie's participation. He may have been using a more Native American version of his name at this time. Army scout Archie McIntosh Scots/Chippewa Archie McIntosh Served as a cultural broker in quite another manner, both in the Pacific Northwest and in the desert Southwest. Born at Fort William, Michigan, of Scots/Chippewa ancestry, Archie’s father moved to the Fraser River with the HBC. During their stay there, the senior McIntosh taught Archie to spell and do elementary mathematics while the two of them canoed the lakes to check their traps. After his father’s murder by an unknown assailant (at the time believed to be a Native jealous of white trappers), Archie was sent to Vancouver for two years of school. At age twelve he was put on a ship to Edinburgh to live with relatives, and he received two more years of Scottish education. Upon his return to Vancouver he worked as a clerk with the HBC for about a year. In 1855 Archie McIntosh entered the service of the U.S. Army as a scout. Working with another Scoto-Indian, Donald McKay, he saved a band of U.S. soldiers from a number of Columbia River Native attacks. As one contemporary reporter observed, ‘The whole body of troopers would have been massacred had it not been for the strategy of those two cunning half breeds." McIntosh’s reputation grew steadily, and he soon became General George Crook’s favorite scout. Crook trusted him implicitly, and McIntosh played a major role in the campaign against the Pitt River Indians and the Piutes of Northern California. The common soldiers also respected his skills. This respect grew to semi-mythical proportions in January 1867, when Archie McIntosh led General Crook and his men through a blinding blizzard to safety at Camp Warner in Oregon. In 1896 McIntosh confessed to a reporter how he did it: "I knew there was going to be a blizzard and watched the course of the wind. When it [the blizzard] was upon us, General Crook asked if we had not better go into camp until it passed over, but I said "follow me and I will put you into Camp Warner by 4 o’clock p.m." So the General said no more but kept close behind me, and you bet I kept the wind on my right cheek for nine long hours, but had it changed its direction ten degrees my goose would have been cooked." McIntosh battled a drinking problem all through his military career, but his skills were so admired that his commanders usually overlooked it. In 1871 he was again assigned to General Crook, who had recently been sent to Arizona Territory to battle the San Carlos and Tonto Apaches. There he fought in the 1874 clashes near florence and Globe and participated in Crook’s last campaign against Geronimo. McIntosh was present in Geronimo’s camp in the Sierra Madre mountains of Mexico when Crook had his famous interview with the Apache chief. The situation was so tense, McIntosh recalled later, that if a gun had accidentally discharged, all the whites would have been killed. After the close of the Apache campaign McIntosh married a San Carlos woman (he seems to have had an earlier Pacific Northwest family as well) and settled on the San Carlos reservation in Arizona. There he gained a reputation as a great teller of stories. He later sent his son to Carlisle Indian School in Pennsylvania, and McIntosh descendants held important roles in San Carlos affairs well into the twentieth century. Praised at the time for his "gallant and invaluable service" as a scout, Archie McIntosh played an important broker’s role in both Oregon and Arizona. . the movie is hype but the character was a protrait of this man .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 14:09:25 GMT -5
Kudos to you Jasper4. Great response and great research. This is why I am a member of this site.
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Post by dT on Dec 15, 2014 0:18:20 GMT -5
thank you Jasper4. It is too bad that McIntosh didn't write a book. His memories would be more precious than gold.
dT
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Post by Lucia on May 5, 2015 13:20:02 GMT -5
I was looking for information about my Grandfather. My brother belongs to a different tribe in the Apache, and he mentioned that on our mothers side my grandfather is also apache in the Chiricahua tribe.
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Post by dT on May 7, 2015 23:25:41 GMT -5
Lucia - it is necessary to gather quite a lot of information to get a good answer. You need to know your Grandfather's parents, when he was born, where. anything you can about which Apache clan he belonged to. There are people here who are tremendously knowledgeable. But they need some facts to begin. Guessing does not work.
dT
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Post by dT on May 7, 2015 23:37:28 GMT -5
Naiches ... I went back to your original post for this thread. I am VERY impressed by the research that you did for your book. I think that you have made a very valuable contribution to the understanding of what happened in the final days of freedom for the Chiricahuas. It is possible that some people may have argued with you about small details - but this always happens. I think that you must have done a tremendous amount of research to put together the story that you did. so let me say - CONGRATULATIONS!!
I wish that I could read Russian!! Hahahahaha!!
dT
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Post by dT on May 9, 2015 14:34:21 GMT -5
Looking at the historical details outlined by Naiches, I think that he makes an EXCELLENT point that Chihuahua and Ulzanna (aka Jolsannie) were probably two of the VERY BEST Apache warriors in their generation. There's good evidence to argue that they were significantly better than Geronimo. It's quite possible that some of their success in their raids came from the fact that Ulzanna had served in the Apache Scouts. Therefore, he knew the exact methods that were being used to track him.
dT
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Post by naiches2 on May 10, 2015 12:10:26 GMT -5
Naiches ... I went back to your original post for this thread. I am VERY impressed by the research that you did for your book. I think that you have made a very valuable contribution to the understanding of what happened in the final days of freedom for the Chiricahuas. It is possible that some people may have argued with you about small details - but this always happens. I think that you must have done a tremendous amount of research to put together the story that you did. so let me say - CONGRATULATIONS!! I wish that I could read Russian!! Hahahahaha!! dT dT! A lot of thanks for your attention for my unpretending work. I recently wrote an article about the Apache artists (Naiche, Gokliz and Houser). After a while, it will translate into English, I hope.
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