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Colle
Jun 4, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jun 4, 2010 9:46:46 GMT -5
Wanted to get everyones opinion on this. Does this look like the same person that is identified as Colle in the Fort Marion pictures? This person is identified as Caley in Siris. Looks kinda suspicious to me, what do you guys think? Attachments:
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Colle
Jun 6, 2010 0:54:57 GMT -5
Post by jeroen on Jun 6, 2010 0:54:57 GMT -5
To me, they appear to be different men. In 1889-1890 two men were sent to a prison on Governor's Island, New York. The army deemed this necessary, although the two Chiricahuas did't have a clue why they were sent to that "hell hole"... Their names are given as Astoyeh and Colle. Although I haven't found one so far, the two men were prossibly photographed in New York or along the way. If so, that would give us a good picture of Colle.
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Colle
Jun 7, 2010 11:01:40 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:01:40 GMT -5
To me, they appear to be different men. In 1889-1890 two men were sent to a prison on Governor's Island, New York. The army deemed this necessary, although the two Chiricahuas did't have a clue why they were sent to that "hell hole"... Their names are given as Astoyeh and Colle. Although I haven't found one so far, the two men were prossibly photographed in New York or along the way. If so, that would give us a good picture of Colle. Colle is picture in the St. Augustine pictures. I cant remember off hand if there is a picture of Astoyey. I already contacted NY, they dont have any pictures of them.
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Colle
Jan 25, 2011 16:00:30 GMT -5
Post by naiches2 on Jan 25, 2011 16:00:30 GMT -5
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Colle
Jan 25, 2011 18:21:24 GMT -5
Post by kayitah on Jan 25, 2011 18:21:24 GMT -5
The first man is Caley or Cooley, as he was called by his fellow scouts and army comrades. He was a Cibecue Apache if I remember correctly. There should be something about him in Collins' book about the battle at Cibecue Creek.
The secon man is Catle (Cutle, Colle, Cullah), a Chiricahua who was an independant leader with his own following. He visited Washington with the same delegation as Tahzay (Taza).
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Colle
Jan 25, 2011 18:35:28 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jan 25, 2011 18:35:28 GMT -5
The first man is Caley or Cooley, as he was called by his fellow scouts and army comrades. He was a Cibecue Apache if I remember correctly. There should be something about him in Collins' book about the battle at Cibecue Creek. The secon man is Catle (Cutle, Colle, Cullah), a Chiricahua who was an independant leader with his own following. He visited Washington with the same delegation as Tahzay (Taza). Was he photographed during that delegation?
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Colle
Jan 25, 2011 23:48:48 GMT -5
Post by naiches2 on Jan 25, 2011 23:48:48 GMT -5
The first man is Caley or Cooley, as he was called by his fellow scouts and army comrades. He was a Cibecue Apache if I remember correctly. There should be something about him in Collins' book about the battle at Cibecue Creek. The secon man is Catle (Cutle, Colle, Cullah), a Chiricahua who was an independant leader with his own following. He visited Washington with the same delegation as Tahzay (Taza). Was he photographed during that delegation? Yes he does. Look at Naiche's thread: amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chiricahua&action=display&thread=1092&page=2
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Colle
Jan 26, 2011 3:28:00 GMT -5
Post by perico on Jan 26, 2011 3:28:00 GMT -5
Oh yeah. I forgot about that picture.
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Colle
Feb 3, 2011 22:43:28 GMT -5
Post by naiches2 on Feb 3, 2011 22:43:28 GMT -5
Colle and 2 unknown men and boy at Jacksonville, Florida:
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Colle
Feb 4, 2011 4:39:01 GMT -5
Post by coeurrouge on Feb 4, 2011 4:39:01 GMT -5
from right it is, I think, the Chihenne Charley.
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Colle
Feb 4, 2011 6:42:55 GMT -5
Post by naiches2 on Feb 4, 2011 6:42:55 GMT -5
I also thought before that it was Charlie (or As-ka-do-del-ges), Chihenne, but now I do not think so. Look discussion at thread 'Individual Chiricahuas' Reply #27,#38 and #39 Look here - this is Charlie: Maybe our friend Perico will tell us what persons standing with Colle.
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Colle
Feb 4, 2011 13:36:47 GMT -5
Post by jeroen on Feb 4, 2011 13:36:47 GMT -5
The man at left could be Nahdozinne, also see image posted by Perico in the Mount Vernon thread...
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Colle
Feb 4, 2011 14:23:29 GMT -5
Post by naiches2 on Feb 4, 2011 14:23:29 GMT -5
The man at left could be Nahdozinne, also see image posted by Perico in the Mount Vernon thread... It's possible!
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Colle
Mar 13, 2011 13:48:40 GMT -5
Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:48:40 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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Colle
May 12, 2011 17:42:44 GMT -5
Post by bobby on May 12, 2011 17:42:44 GMT -5
Wanted to get everyones opinion on this. Does this look like the same person that is identified as Colle in the Fort Marion pictures? This person is identified as Caley in Siris. Looks kinda suspicious to me, what do you guys think? Another one - Coley or Caley (Tonto Apache): Attachments:
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