Dandy Jim, Dead Shot, and Skippy

[jeroen]

Good point Kayitah! The individual in the group photo identified as Dead Shot does not seem to be about 45 years old, perhaps he is one of the other, younger scouts...
Also, I have long wondered about the image of the two prisoners... Mrs Henrietta Stockel in her book Survival of the spirit says they are Chiricahua Apaches, but I agree with you they are far more likely men involved in the Cibecue Affair... It would be great to learn their names though...

[Second]

Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper.
It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs.
Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs.
Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members.
When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them.
Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles.
I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important.
I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.

Sincerely,
Siggy Jumper

[cinemo]

At the Cibecue Creek Battle were twenty – four Apache scouts present. After the battle five scouts were charged for mutiny, desertion and inciting insurrection.

„Dead Shot“ , „Dandy Jim“ and „Skippy“ were sentenced to be hanged on March 3, 1882.
Two other scouts, Private No. 11 ( it seems, no name is known ) and Private No. 15 ( Mucheco )
were sentenced to imprisonment on Alcatraz, but paroled in June 1884.

Dead Shot's wife hanged herself at San Carlos the day of the execution. Their two sons stayed at their camp, half-starved, until Lieutenant Gatewood learned about them and had rations issued to them. Both sons was given a home on Will Barnes` Ranch near Fort Apache. The men called the young boys „Riley“ and the younger brother by his Apache name, „ Eskinewah Napas“
Many people considered the scouts execution a grave miscarriage of justice.
Lieutenant Cruse, writting many years later, commented : „I have always regretted the fate of Dead Shot and Skippy. The former was the sage of the Indian company, the latter the clown and wag. I doubted at the time if they had intentional part in firing upon us. It seemed to me that they were swept into the fight by exitement and force of evil cicumstances“

Source ( primarily) : The Apaches: Eagles of the Southwest, by Donald E. Worcester

cinemo

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It's so sad that in so many threads pictures disappeared. Any chance to recover some?

[iSmithZ]

Aug 6, 2010 15:41:02 GMT -5 kayitah said:

"Passing the guardhouse on her way to the post trader's store, Mrs. Gilbert C. Smith, wife of Captain Smith, post quartermaster, was motioned to by Dandy Jim from a window. When she faced him there, the scout took from his neck and presented to her a red glass and turquoise string of beads. He said, "You take, me pretty soon hang." A sad final gesture for a condemned man."

Source: The Smoke Signal, No. 36, Fall 1978 - Aftermath of Cibecue; Court Martial of the Apache Scouts, 1881

[iSmithZ]

Hello to the board,

This is an incredibly old board, but I'm hoping some of you are still receiving updates. It's like a note in a bottle sent out to sea.
I am extremely interested in more info about the event, Dandy Jim and his necklace, in particular.
Lola Smith (Mrs. Smith/Quartermaster's wife) was my great-great-grandmother. My great grandfather was Cornelius Cole born in 1869. I believe he was away at school during the time of the hanging.

Somebody mentioned a photo of the necklace?

I have done a truckload of research into the area in that area, but there is so little written about women other than who her father was, her husband, her son. I would like to think she was a positive face at the Ft. I hope she and Capt. Smith were more sympathetic to the Apache than her father Bill Oury.
Please email: [e-mail]

[natethegreat]

The death of the Dreamer was sealed when the Apache scout turned and shot the platoon commander at the gate of the camp. Thats when the order was given to kill the dreamer. He was arrested for questioning. The commander of the force sent to arrest him was a fair man with no combat experience. In his report he mentions being taunted by the Apaches on the way to arrest the Dreamer, and feeling like at any moment they would turn on the Soldiers. Thats exactly what happened. In my opinion the Scouts were incited to muntiny by the important and influential war captains of the renegade Apache groups. (Nana, Naitche, Lozen, Juh, Geronimo, Perico)

The Dreamer recieved many gifts and was expected by alot of Apache warriors to bring the dead alive. The Dreamers life was in danger because the U.S. commander in the area knew that of course he could not raise the dead. You can not compare the death of The Dreamer to the death of Mangas Coloradas, who truly was murdered in captivity by future Confederate officers who did not care about anything.