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Post by jeroen on Feb 24, 2010 5:39:48 GMT -5
Naiche's mother (daughter of Mangas Coloradas and wife of Cochise):
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Post by jeroen on Mar 12, 2010 4:41:32 GMT -5
A new one, at least for me, from the series taken during the Texas stop in october 1886: Naiche far left, Geronimo far right, Perico in center...
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Post by jeroen on Mar 12, 2010 4:45:19 GMT -5
Here's another rare one, of Perico and family during their stay at Fort Pickens...
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Post by kayitah on Mar 12, 2010 6:07:45 GMT -5
wow Jeroen, that group image from their stay at San Antonio is exceptional!! That's the one I and Josephine from farwest.it have been looking for for a long time! May I ask where you found it?
Between the children and Perico seems to be Fun. No idea on the others, though, only that they're none of Ahnandia, Yahnozha, Bésh, Zhonne, Kanseah, Chappo, Laziyah or Nahbay. And neither seems to be Tissnolthos. Probably Motsos and Kilthdigai, or Kayitah and Martine?
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Post by kayitah on Mar 12, 2010 12:45:11 GMT -5
Ahnandia and George Wratten at Fort Pickens, 1886 - photograph taken at the same time as the above one of Perico & family (look at the wall behind them - it's the same). This makes it more than likely that a complete series of photographs was made... Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 12, 2010 16:40:50 GMT -5
Between the children and Perico seems to be Fun. No idea on the others, though, only that they're none of Ahnandia, Yahnozha, Bésh, Zhonne, Kanseah, Chappo, Laziyah or Nahbay. And neither seems to be Tissnolthos. Probably Motsos and Kilthdigai, or Kayitah and Martine? Yes, man in hat is Fun. Man standing left from Geronimo is Tissnolthos (IMHO). Here another shot from Fort Sam Houston. From left: Unknown, Chappo, Ahnandia, Zhonne, Hunlona
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Post by kayitah on Mar 14, 2010 5:52:59 GMT -5
Between the children and Perico seems to be Fun. No idea on the others, though, only that they're none of Ahnandia, Yahnozha, Bésh, Zhonne, Kanseah, Chappo, Laziyah or Nahbay. And neither seems to be Tissnolthos. Probably Motsos and Kilthdigai, or Kayitah and Martine? Yes, man in hat is Fun. Man standing left from Geronimo is Tissnolthos (IMHO). Here another shot from Fort Sam Houston. From left: Unknown, Chappo, Ahnandia, Zhonne, Hunlona Anton, my friend, how do you know the man standing next to Geronimo is Tissnolthos? Do you have any photographs for reference? I have the following photographs of Tissnolthos: Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Mar 14, 2010 5:55:29 GMT -5
tissnolthos as a soldier in company "I", 12th infantry Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Mar 14, 2010 6:35:39 GMT -5
In the Geronimo thread we have discussed the identification of the warriors sitting in front of the train and came to the conclusion that Tissnolthos is fith from left. The man standing left of Geronimo closely resembles him, so I agree with Naiches... Kayitah, I am not certain of your identification of Tissnolthos as a soldier in your reply 52. In the same Geronimo thread we had another photograph of the stay in Fort Sam Houston and id's for the people shown: This is the picture: Charlie had this identification and I agree with him: Tissnolthos - Yanozha - She Gha (third Geronimo's wife) - Zhonne - Kaytah - Martine - Kanseah - Laziyah (Nahbay's brother). Your man looks a lot like Kayitah, don't you agree? Naiches, in your photo the man in the center is identified as Chappo, and I have seen this also in my photo,but it does not look like him, this individual seems to old, and I therefore think it is Laziyah indeed.
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Post by jeroen on Mar 14, 2010 6:39:30 GMT -5
Here is another rare San Antonio pic... Tourists gawking at the Apache prisoners:
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Post by jeroen on Mar 14, 2010 6:43:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile I have two wonderful and rare Naiche portraits: and
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Post by jeroen on Mar 14, 2010 6:45:26 GMT -5
and a close up of Martine, taken during the Fort Sill years:
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Post by kayitah on Mar 14, 2010 10:10:33 GMT -5
another one from the stay at San Antonio Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 14, 2010 11:43:03 GMT -5
Hi Kayitah! I am glad that you with us again ;D I'm not sure I believe that the forum 'Farwest.it' discussed this issue and all agreed that on the photo at the train man Number 5 is Tissnolthos... or Kilthdigai? Close up of "Tissnolthos"
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 14, 2010 11:47:05 GMT -5
Charlie had this identification and I agree with him: Tissnolthos - Yanozha - She Gha (third Geronimo's wife) - Zhonne - Kaytah - Martine - Kanseah - Laziyah (Nahbay's brother). Your man looks a lot like Kayitah, don't you agree? Naiches, in your photo the man in the center is identified as Chappo, and I have seen this also in my photo,but it does not look like him, this individual seems to old, and I therefore think it is Laziyah indeed. My opinion this man is Chappo Compare these photos, please:
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