I know that PAWNEE KILLER (Palani Wicakte) was a blotahunka in the Little Wound's band, the KIYUKSA. At page 3 of thread "Brulè at LBH" (LBHA site) Kingsleybray wrote:.....Pawnee Killer - Spleen band (Tapishsleca). Which was the real band of birth of him? The SPLEEN was a sub-band of the KIYUKSA?
in Catherine Price's The Oglala People, 1841-1879 , it is said that Pawnee Killer was a blotahunka in Bad Wound's Southern True Oglala band; I recall he became a leader of the Spleen band (later led by White Bird and Yellow Bear) in the late 1870s. Maybe Kingsley can add some details?
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(Apologies for the thread necromancy if that is frowned upon here) Is this Pawnee Killer on the far right with Julius Meyer in 1874? He looks nothing like the man above, which we 'know' is Pawnee Killer, so who is this man? I know people often look different at different angles, but this is beyond that to me.
I am talking of the Oglala man who led a band of Dog Soldier Sioux and operated with Whistler and was close friends and raided with the Northern Cheyenne Turkey Leg, who Spotted Wolf was with, their band leader was Little Chief, these two groups were responsible for the Little Blue River massacres (IMO) and definitely involved in the derailing of the train at Plum Creek in 1867 and many other actions. He certainly was a man of action.
Captain David C. Poole's described Pawnee Killer's appearance and demeanor as: "His face had a lean and hungry look, he was long and lank and reminded one of a prowling wolf. He seldom smiled while talking with his companions but stalked about with his blanket closely wrapped around him as if expecting at each to turn to pounce upon an enemy, or be himself attacked." That actually looks more like the man in the Meyer photo to me.
This photo is listed in the Smithsonian as 'Photo Lot 24 SPC Stereo Plains Dakota 00208100, National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Institution. Portrait of Julius Meyer, Interpreter, in Costume with Three Chiefs 1874, Spotted Tail, Iron Bull and Pawnee Killer; All In Native Dress.'
If this is indeed the same man then this is by far the example par excellence of the same person appearing different in two photos!
Cheyenne Primacy: The Tribes' Perspective As Opposed To That Of The United States Army Dr. Margot Libery and W. Raymond Wood, Ph.D., Emeritus, University of Missouri
Pawnee Killer is the cat in the hat (there's another one without the hat taken at the same session, taken by Daniel Mitchell in 1877/8?. He's not in the Meyer photo. The identities of the three Indians were discussed and noted elsewhere (sorry - can't remember the thread). L-R: One Who Runs the Tiger, Bald Eagle and Gassy.
The other Mitchell photo of Pawnee Killer:
Remember, this is about ten years after the events you're discussing.
Theodore Davis' sketch of Pawnee Killer meeting Custer:
Dietmar. Thanks for your reply on this. I'm fortunate enough to own this photograph, and will be moving forward soon to have some conservation work done on it. My pix is the same as shown on the website, but with a few other markings on it as well. My conservator and I were assuming the horns to be drawn in, and were thinking of the possibility of removing them. So I now will re examine the whole issue.Thanks for passing on the info to the online archives. I will look into that as well.