frank
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Post by frank on Jul 15, 2008 15:56:50 GMT -5
I had one version of the PK photo that is already here but this one is bit bigger if it helps any:  |
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Post by charlie on Aug 21, 2008 2:41:56 GMT -5
I know that PAWNEE KILLER (Palani Wicakte) was a blotahunka in the Little Wound's band, the KIYUKSA. At page 3 of thread "Brulè at LBH" (LBHA site) Kingsleybray wrote:.....Pawnee Killer - Spleen band (Tapishsleca). Which was the real band of birth of him?
The SPLEEN was a sub-band of the KIYUKSA?
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Post by jinlian on Aug 21, 2008 5:00:04 GMT -5
Hi Charlie,
in Catherine Price's The Oglala People, 1841-1879 , it is said that Pawnee Killer was a blotahunka in Bad Wound's Southern True Oglala band; I recall he became a leader of the Spleen band (later led by White Bird and Yellow Bear) in the late 1870s. Maybe Kingsley can add some details?
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Post by ladonna on Aug 21, 2008 14:39:17 GMT -5
Black Moon, Hunkpapa war chief of the Fox Warrior Society, was killed during the fighting on Reno Hill. It was young Blackmoon the son the Blackmoon who died at Reno Hill. |
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Mike
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Post by Mike on May 5, 2018 23:15:47 GMT -5
Charlie sent this photo for you, Grahame:  (Apologies for the thread necromancy if that is frowned upon here) Is this Pawnee Killer on the far right with Julius Meyer in 1874? He looks nothing like the man above, which we 'know' is Pawnee Killer, so who is this man? I know people often look different at different angles, but this is beyond that to me. I am talking of the Oglala man who led a band of Dog Soldier Sioux and operated with Whistler and was close friends and raided with the Northern Cheyenne Turkey Leg, who Spotted Wolf was with, their band leader was Little Chief, these two groups were responsible for the Little Blue River massacres (IMO) and definitely involved in the derailing of the train at Plum Creek in 1867 and many other actions. He certainly was a man of action. Captain David C. Poole's described Pawnee Killer's appearance and demeanor as: "His face had a lean and hungry look, he was long and lank and reminded one of a prowling wolf. He seldom smiled while talking with his companions but stalked about with his blanket closely wrapped around him as if expecting at each to turn to pounce upon an enemy, or be himself attacked." That actually looks more like the man in the Meyer photo to me. This photo is listed in the Smithsonian as 'Photo Lot 24 SPC Stereo Plains Dakota 00208100, National Anthropological Archives, Smithsonian Institution. Portrait of Julius Meyer, Interpreter, in Costume with Three Chiefs 1874, Spotted Tail, Iron Bull and Pawnee Killer; All In Native Dress.' If this is indeed the same man then this is by far the example par excellence of the same person appearing different in two photos!  |
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Post by grahamew on May 6, 2018 3:33:22 GMT -5
Pawnee Killer is the cat in the hat (there's another one without the hat taken at the same session, taken by Daniel Mitchell in 1877/8?. He's not in the Meyer photo. The identities of the three Indians were discussed and noted elsewhere (sorry - can't remember the thread). L-R: One Who Runs the Tiger, Bald Eagle and Gassy. The other Mitchell photo of Pawnee Killer:  Remember, this is about ten years after the events you're discussing. Theodore Davis' sketch of Pawnee Killer meeting Custer:  And another Davis sketch:  And he's at the back, right here:  |
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Mike
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Post by Mike on May 6, 2018 14:55:27 GMT -5
Ok so that's a misidentification on the photo with Meyer then, I wonder if that was a mistake or that man thought it'd be funny to tell them he was Pawnee Killer?
I've seen the last photo you posted (the group one) but never with the names over them, that helps a lot, thank you.
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Post by grahamew on May 7, 2018 3:16:34 GMT -5
I think that was Dietmar's work.
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chip
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Post by chip on Aug 31, 2018 18:48:26 GMT -5
I have a question about this terrific photo of the 1875 delegation of Sioux and Cheyenne to DC. The horns on Fast Thunder look drawn in.
Does the same photo exist without the horns? Or perhaps a better question. Does anyone know the original source of this Pix?
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 1, 2018 3:55:52 GMT -5
chip,
I have seen several scans of the same 1875 delegation picture, but all show the drawn-in horns. I guess the (unknown) photographer retouched the original negative.
Several online archives own copies of the picture, for example the Smithsonian, Kansas History, Little Bighorn Battlefield archives.
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chip
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Post by chip on Sept 1, 2018 10:14:31 GMT -5
Dietmar. Thanks for your reply on this. I'm fortunate enough to own this photograph, and will be moving forward soon to have some conservation work done on it. My pix is the same as shown on the website, but with a few other markings on it as well. My conservator and I were assuming the horns to be drawn in, and were thinking of the possibility of removing them. So I now will re examine the whole issue.Thanks for passing on the info to the online archives. I will look into that as well.
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