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Post by kayitah on Nov 24, 2011 7:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by kayitah on Nov 24, 2011 7:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by kayitah on Nov 24, 2011 7:57:43 GMT -5
Naiches, it seems the image you posted in post #227 is just part of the whole photograph. Do you, by any chance, have the complete image? Thank you
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Post by jeroen on Nov 24, 2011 9:33:55 GMT -5
These are two more photographs credited to Durhem, although the name of the photographer is spelled Duhem this time, still no first name though... Both are said to be taken at San Carlos in the summer of 1883:
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Post by jeroen on Nov 24, 2011 9:37:30 GMT -5
Also found this one, said to be Chiricahua, but I am not 100% sure...:
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Post by kayitah on Nov 24, 2011 10:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Nov 24, 2011 12:33:20 GMT -5
Yes, you are right, I missed that one... However, I did find another Duhem image, also taken in 1883 at San Carlos... the picture is not really clear, but the caption translates as 'Apache men surrounding chief Nana'... (second from right):
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 24, 2011 13:14:04 GMT -5
Naiches, it seems the image you posted in post #227 is just part of the whole photograph. Do you, by any chance, have the complete image? Thank you Yes of course! Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 24, 2011 14:23:14 GMT -5
These are two more photographs credited to Durhem, although the name of the photographer is spelled Duhem this time, still no first name though... Both are said to be taken at San Carlos in the summer of 1883 Jeroen --- A lot of thanks for great images! From 'Travels and researches in native North America, 1882-1883'by Herman Frederik Carel Kate,Pieter Hovens,William J. Orr,Louis A. Hieb,University of Arizona
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 24, 2011 17:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Nov 30, 2011 2:50:38 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. It seems the remaining negatives are of very poor quality. The photographer, Constant Duehem, operated a photostudio in Colorado with his brother. The Duhems mostly took pictures in the area around their home. Ten Kate was collecting artefacts and data at San Carlos when the first Chiricahuas returned from Mexico. He had visited the Duhems before and then asked Constant Duhem to help him make photographs. He later paid for the expenses.
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Post by kayitah on Dec 1, 2011 12:15:25 GMT -5
I just came over a small book by J. Heyink - "Dr. Herman F. C. Ten Kate en de Apache Indianen". There's a good chance that it contains more photographs of Apaches taken by Duhem. dekiva.nl/Boekenlijst_Allerlei.pdf
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Post by jeroen on Dec 1, 2011 15:58:04 GMT -5
I have the booklet and it contains only photographs by Randall/Wittick. I knew the author personally and he was very knowledgable, but it the text is for a very general public and contains nothing new.In fact, Duhem is mentioned only once in pasing. So, sorry my friend, but that is a dead end...
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Post by josephine on Nov 18, 2012 13:53:38 GMT -5
I think Hosea and José second were different. Just question about Hosea. if the photo was taken on 1873-1874, how do we know that he was with Geronimo? The Americans, apart Jeffords, didn't know him as Geronimo still 1875-1876. despite this, if it is right. Could Hosea be Francisco, the bedonkohe leader arrested with Geronimo on 1877 at the Chihenne's agency? I know of one photograph showing an Apache with the name Francisco, an 1870s stereoview by a photographer from Santa Fé, New Mexico. "Jose Lapas and Francisco, Apache chiefs" siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?&profile=all&source=~!siarchives&uri=full=3100001~!88228~!0#focus Josè Lapas ( Lapaz ) and Francisco ( Francisco Hanero o Llanero?) are Mescalero Chiefs
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 20, 2012 14:58:25 GMT -5
Question to Mithlo and Penjady :
Do you know a story(sad) or legend of a mixed-blood Chiricahua(mother)-Scottish(father), horsebreaker, whose nickname was Sky Eyes because of his clear grey eyes?
He lived during the sixties and seventies. he was very tall and killed as a teenage a policeman by accident on a fight in a s"saloon". To go out of jail the us army proposed him to engaged on the LRRPs to fight in Vietnam where he arrived in 1966-68. Great warrior and killer, he deserted on 1969 and came in Paris to see a friend, a war photographer met in Vietnam. uncapable living in this city without problems with the law, he finished in jail in France. His freedom lost, he commited suicide. His French friend brought his body on the reservation of his mother to put his body on his native land.
The story was from a book ("Sky" by Patrick Chauvel) wrote by the French photographer who wrote that was true unless some secondary characters and some names. I think the story of this Apache was true but perhaps not his nickname and his origins.
Mithlo, Penjady or others, if you know something I am interested. thanks in advance.
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