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Post by grahamew on Jan 2, 2019 4:55:42 GMT -5
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Post by Californian on Jan 2, 2019 10:53:00 GMT -5
hi Grahamew, thanks for the comment. Hadn't it been for that faint pencil note on the back I wouldn't have had anything to go by. Funny, I did write the Mandan Historical Society too pointing out that they had a misnomer on their biographical page for Zalmon Gilbert for that particular image titling is as "Gall". I did some research into Zalmon's son James W. Gilbert on whose cardstock my image has been printed. He had married in 1893 in Montana a 17 year old girl and by 1900 was divorced and lived in his father's former home in Mandan. The printed locality on the cardstock is stated as New Salem, North Dakota. Thus my particular print can be dated to 1898 or 1899, off the original glass plate negative by his father which I would date to around 1884 or 1885. By the way, about 12+ years ago approx. 3 dozen glass plate negatives by Zalmon Gilbert where auctioned at Cowan's Auctions - I wish I could localize the current owner to see if this particular image is among the negatives. All the best from snowed-in Santa Fe NM.
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Post by grahamew on Jan 2, 2019 12:46:12 GMT -5
I have seen the man labelled 'Letty' Bull (if that's what it says) also labelled Thin Skin, Gros Ventre. Of course, that was on Pinterest and official sites are often wrong about names, never mind Pinterest. The only thing I know for sure is that both are earlier Gilberts when he co-owned the Gilbert and Miller studio from November 1881 to 1885. Crow King died April 84 and his photo has the same backdrop. Just to confuse things, when your photo appeared on Cowan's Auction site a few years back, the tribal attribution was Lakota.
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Post by grahamew on Jan 2, 2019 17:23:19 GMT -5
One of the Gilberts that disappeared: Small Ankle and sons; that's Wolf Chief sitting next to him and Charging the Enemy and Red Kettle behind. Grey Bear Clearly, a favourite sitter for Gilbert and Haynes. I wonder if Gray Bear is the Yanktonai photographed by Curtis in the early 1900s.
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Post by glenbow on Jul 19, 2019 12:47:18 GMT -5
Would anyone have information about the photograph of Crow King by Zalmon Gilbert, sometimes cited as having been taken at his studio in Mandan, Dakota Territory in 1880? Although Crow King surrendered to the US Military near Wolf Point, Montana in December of 1880 (to my knowledge), it would seem quite unlikely that he could have made his way to Mandan for a studio portrait sitting within the space of a week or two. From what I've learned, he was only transferred by steamboat to Fort Yates from confinement as a prisoner of war at Fort Buford in the spring or summer of 1881. I think it is more likely that he could have had his portrait taken by Gilbert at this time, possibly during a stay-over by the steamship at Mandan, on its way to Standing Rock Agency.
I'm also curious to know about the feathers Crow King is wearing in the portrait, particularly the darker one that is slanted to the side, below the other two. Does anyone have accurate information on how the Lakota wore and coloured their coup feathers at that time and what their arrangements signified? It has been written that Crow King was wounded during the earlier times of intertribal warfare, although he apparently came through the Little Bighorn fight unscathed.
I saw somewhere on this site that there was a eulogy written to Crow King by someone named Tall Bear: "Tall Bear's Eulogy on the Death of Crow King", in The Sedalia Weekly Bazoo, from Sedalia, Missouri, 1 July 188[4?], pPage 2. If anyone could offer advice on how I might be able to access a copy of this article, I would be indebted.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 19, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -5
Best I can find out, Gilbert didn't arrive in Dakota Territory from Iowa until 1881 and didn't open his studio (with Alice Miller) until November of that year.
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Post by glenbow on Jul 22, 2019 12:33:57 GMT -5
I believe the source I found for the date of the photo is incorrect. I've since learned that Crow King more likely posed for Gilbert in 1883, a year before he died at Standing Rock. In regard to the darker feather that Crow King is wearing in the photo, I've learned that it may indicate that he was wounded by an enemy .. a fact that I have corroborated from other sources.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 22, 2019 12:55:51 GMT -5
Would it be dyed red? Red would show up dark on a photo like this, wouldn't it?
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Post by glenbow on Jul 22, 2019 14:37:41 GMT -5
That is a possibility, certainly. Thanks for suggesting it .. I'll continue to research!
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Post by grahamew on Jul 25, 2019 12:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Aug 22, 2020 16:54:09 GMT -5
I am trying, slowly but surely, to restore some of the images to this thread. Bear with me!!!
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Post by grahamew on Aug 23, 2020 9:31:25 GMT -5
Here are some that I couldn't fit into the old posts: Small Ankle The man at the right was one of the Gros Ventre dancers posted up-thread: I think the man in the left panel is Harry Eaton, Hidatsa, also known as Sand Hill Crane and One Eye, an informant for Densmore. amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2968/harry-eaton-hidatsaYellow Badger, again. This is surely the same as this: "Letty" Bull (my guess is someone trying to pass this off as Sitting Bull, to go with the Gall and Crow King photos) or Thin Skin or... someone else...
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Post by grahamew on Aug 23, 2020 9:44:32 GMT -5
Rounding it off with a new one: Great Bear's children: I suspect this is Grey Bear's wife (on the right - compare this with the photo on the first page of the thread) and daughter. That's over 60 images. Not bad for a 'scarce' maker. Let's hope some more turn up soon.
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Post by grahamew on Jun 27, 2023 15:02:03 GMT -5
Of course, we never know whether or not some of the orems of apparel are props or not, but supposing they aren't, this is an unusual (earlier - i.e. early to mid 1880s) studio photo by Gilbert of a Lakota woman wearing a man's bone - or perhaps dentalium - breastplate:
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Post by Californian on Feb 11, 2024 16:42:30 GMT -5
Spread Face (Arikara), another Zalmon Gilbert image, currently offered on eBay (11 Feb 2024) - odd thing is, that the imprint on the front says Zalmon Gilbert and the rear says David F. Barry - judging from the characteristics (backdrop, pose etc.) this is clearly a Gilbert portrait, but that David F. Barry cardstock imprint on the back is somewhat puzzling. I would date this image as one of Zalmon Gilbert's earlier works, perhaps ca. 1885, since it says "Mandan, Dak." compared to later images that state "Mandan, N.D.". On the reverse side, the Barry imprint is clearly 1890's as there it states "Bismarck, North Dakota". It leads me to believe that Barry distributed existing Gilbert photographs that on earlier prints typically were blank on the reverse side and he had his own printed onto it. Any comments and opinions would be welcome. click onto images to enlarge
Spread Face (Arikara) Name attribution based on identical specimen held at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library - collections.library.yale.edu/catalog/2009493
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