Finally: another Gilbert. Assumed to be a Mandan on the auction site I found it on, though possibly as a result of the imprint of Gilbert's studio in Mandan. I can tell you no more except that it's an earlier Gilbert because it;s the same backdrop as in the photo of Crow King.
Last Edit: Apr 18, 2010 13:45:40 GMT -5 by grahamew
Here's another Gilbert, currently up for auction at Cowans and purporting to show a group of 'Sioux', taken between 1884 and 1894. Fringed shirt looks like Southern Cheyenne; the bonnet at the left is similar to those I've seen Jicarilla wearing; the backdrop isn't the same as others used by Gilbert, the footwear of the two on the left, at least, doesn't look Lakota.
Last Edit: May 25, 2010 2:00:21 GMT -5 by grahamew
Hello, recently I rediscovered some very old photos I bought in the pe-internet era. I archieved the photos in these days directly at a garage sale in the very north of germany from a farmer. Nobody knows how these cabinet photos of native americans from the beginning of the last century made it to the very remote countyside of north germany.
I wonder if here are some experts with enough background to tell me a little bit more about the context of these photos.
I will try to post them.
You will see 7 photos on cardboard. Size: 16,5cm x 11cm The photos are made in the studio of JAMES W.GILBERT in NEW SALEM ,North DAKOTA. At the backside there are the names of the photographed persons handwritten with pencil in english and german: 1)BIG HAND 2)RAIN IN THE FACE 3)STANDING HOLY 4)BAD GUN 5)SPREAD FACE 6)STRIKES ENEMY (3 Persons) 7)3 CHILDREN OF - unreadable-
The Rain in the Face is a Spencer, I believe. Although the names given to the subjects can be found with regard to his father's photos, I'm not sure just how many are the same people. Big Hand, for example, looks nothing like the man identified as Big Hand earlier in the thread
Thanks for posting this. A Gilbert image is always welcome. The woman on the right appears to be Bismarck Mary, a Mandan (?); possibly also known as The Youngest. The backdrop indicates it's one of Gilbert's earlier Indian photos; unfortunately, I'm not sure when this period finished. Crow King, who Gilbert also photographed, died in 1884, so at the very least it's from the early 80s, but it may be well afterwards. This would be a Zalman Gilbert photo; the backdrop used by his son seems to be different again.
Post by tjb1952tjb on Sept 7, 2012 19:34:50 GMT -5
The attached photograph is my greatgrandfather. His name was Johann Gottfried Schaaf. He was born in Germany in 1854. He briefly tried his hand at homesteading with a partner in Mandan, Dakota Territory approximately 1881. He was not successful and made his way to Los Angeles in approximately 1884 where he lived until he died in 1937. There were quite a few German immigrants that made their way to the west coast, many of whom may have traveled through the Dakota Territory. That may explain the discovery of the Gilbert photos in Germany previously mentioned. The border and "Z. Gilbert" appear to be a bit different than others posted here. Any idea of a more specific date for this photograph?
Hello everyone, I have a few Gilbert photographs as well. I can't seem to find much information on them. A lot are already ID'd but I cannot find much information on the person behind each photo.
The first photograph is of the man that was concluded to be "Small Ankle" in an earlier post. My main problem is I can't seem to find any other images of Small Ankle. The other problem is that most of the cards we received came in ID'd, but I'm not sure how true this is. So as you see on the back mark there is a dot where a man by the name of "Thin Skin" is. I believed that to be his name at first, but I can find zero information about a man with that name from the Ree tribe. Images are posted below
The next man is labeled to be Yellow Badger which was also written on the front. A bit hard to make out. I just can't find much information on him as well.
The next are a group of Gros Ventre dancers. I have no names, but I was curious to see if anyone recognized anybody.
Lastly I have another photo of "Small Ankle" with another man who is unidentified at this time, but looks of importance. Any help?
I know Dietmar said a bit about Gray Bear a bit earlier. I have a photograph of Gray Bear as well, and I cannot find any historical information on him. I also cannot find information on General Terry. If anyone could point me in the correct direction?