Not convinced by these. The backdrop matches neither of those we've already seen, and judging by Gray Bear's appearance, the date looks more 'recent'. Could be just that Gilbert started using a different backdrop; could be that it's his imprint on someone else's photo. The third one is definitely a later (i.e. post 1884) Scott, who used the backdrop with the crudely painted tipis, yet here, it's got the Gilbert imprint.
This one was labelled Yellow Badger, Sioux. Clealy the same as the man in the bonnet, above, but not the same as the possible Yellow Badger in the Bismark Mary photo. Note the Metis style shirt as opposed to the traditional war-shirt.
Last Edit: Sept 2, 2008 10:36:26 GMT -5 by grahamew
Modified from the thread on Sitting Bull in the hat:
This site - hem.bredband.net/pedorch/foto_bull1.html - shows a print in a Gilbert mount, but from what I can make out of the text, credits the photo to R. L. Kelly, a photographer working in Pierre from 1880, and dates it to 1883; Markus Lindner's essay in North Dakota History on SB photos also dates it then, crediting it to either Scott at Fort Yates; Kelly in Pierre (while SB was en route from Fort Randall to Standing Rock); or to N. W. Chadron (surely a reference to the N. W. Photo Company of Chadron in N W Nebraska?). The version in Jensen, Paul and Carter's Eyewitness at Wounded Knee is marked on the print itself as copyrighted by the N W Photo Co, Chadron, Neb., as are, of course, many of the photos of the aftermath of Wounded Knee. There would, therefore, be a temptation to date it considerably later (i.e. late 80s, maybe even 90), but we know how photographers were fairly unscrupulous when it came to passing off the work of others as theirs and there are certainly Trager and Moreledge photos that have been deliberately mislabelled to increase their news-worthiness and value.
To me, 1883 seems a little early. I confess, I have no real evidence to date it later except that he looks older and considerably more haggard than in the Palmquist and Jurgens photos taken in 1884 and older than in the photo taken with his mother, daughter and others, usually dated 1883-4.
As for it being a Gilbert: if it is, it would be unusual, because while the image seems to be cropped slightly, I've never seen a full length version and the Gilberts I'm familiar with aren't close-medium shots.
Before considering that it might be a Scott, the assumption I'd always made was that it was a Barry from 1885-8, although his common backdrop isn't visible and there aren't other versions clearly made at the same session, which is the case with other SB photos (and, indeed, sessions involving several other prominent Lakota, like John Grass and Rain in the Face) by that photographer.
I have barely any knowledge of Kelly's life and work, but those photos I know from the earlier period have obvious backdrops and aren't just close-medium shots. I'm not sure when Kelly stopped working, but it seems he was active during the 90s and quite possibly beyond and his later photos are a different matter; there are head and shoulder portrait photos, so maybe this form exists among his earlier work too.
Here's what Brock had to say: "According to Ernie La Pointe the hat with the bow was given to Sitting Bull by Buffalo Bill Cody in St Louis which was the last stop of the tour...so it could be considered a goodbye gift [i.e. 1885]. Prior to that he was given a beaver skin top hat in Bismark during Bismark's celebration of being named territorial capital. He went up there to hopefully meet President Arthur but instead was greeted by low level bureaucrat who was only authorized to give him the top hat. He did not wear the hat very much as it has very little in the way of sweat stains. However there is a good chance he wore it in Canada during his four month tour with Alvern Allen's wild west show named 'The Sitting Bull Combination'. He gave the top hat to a young boy in St Louis when he got the new hat with the bow from Cody. The top hat recently resurfaced and was purchased by Searle Chapman who gave it to Ernie. It now resides in Ernie's hands. As far as the hat with the bow...don't know where it ended up...my guess is it didn't survive."
Here's a Palmquist and Jurgens for compraison:
and photos of SB with his family, usually dated about 1883:
Here's another Sitting Bull in a Gilbert mount. This time, it's clearly a Goff:
As a postscript, the last time I came across the picture of Sitting Bull in the hat at an auction site, it was credited to Goff and dated to the late 80s, but with the imprint of Ingersoll Photo, St Paul!
Last Edit: Sept 12, 2008 11:36:45 GMT -5 by grahamew
On the Bienecke site, the photo I've labelled Quick Shot (on page one of the thread) above, is said to be Red Blanket, a Sioux chief of some note. "He is considered among the tribes to be quite a politician."