This one was labelled Yellow Badger and wife, Sioux. Clealy the same as the man in the bonnet, above, but not the same as the possible Yellow Badger in the Bismark Mary photo. Note the Metis style shirt as opposed to the traditional war-shirt.
Last Edit: Aug 23, 2020 8:07:34 GMT -5 by grahamew
Modified from the thread on Sitting Bull in the hat:
This site - hem.bredband.net/pedorch/foto_bull1.html - shows a print in a Gilbert mount, but from what I can make out of the text, credits the photo to R. L. Kelly, a photographer working in Pierre from 1880, and dates it to 1883; Markus Lindner's essay in North Dakota History on SB photos also dates it then, crediting it to either Scott at Fort Yates; Kelly in Pierre (while SB was en route from Fort Randall to Standing Rock); or to N. W. Chadron (surely a reference to the N. W. Photo Company of Chadron in N W Nebraska?). The version in Jensen, Paul and Carter's Eyewitness at Wounded Knee is marked on the print itself as copyrighted by the N W Photo Co, Chadron, Neb., as are, of course, many of the photos of the aftermath of Wounded Knee. There would, therefore, be a temptation to date it considerably later (i.e. late 80s, maybe even 90), but we know how photographers were fairly unscrupulous when it came to passing off the work of others as theirs and there are certainly Trager and Moreledge photos that have been deliberately mislabelled to increase their news-worthiness and value.
To me, 1883 seems a little early. I confess, I have no real evidence to date it later except that he looks older and considerably more haggard than in the Palmquist and Jurgens photos taken in 1884 and older than in the photo taken with his mother, daughter and others, usually dated 1883-4.
As for it being a Gilbert: if it is, it would be unusual, because while the image seems to be cropped slightly, I've never seen a full length version and the Gilberts I'm familiar with aren't close-medium shots.
Before considering that it might be a Scott, the assumption I'd always made was that it was a Barry from 1885-8, although his common backdrop isn't visible and there aren't other versions clearly made at the same session, which is the case with other SB photos (and, indeed, sessions involving several other prominent Lakota, like John Grass and Rain in the Face) by that photographer.
I have barely any knowledge of Kelly's life and work, but those photos I know from the earlier period have obvious backdrops and aren't just close-medium shots. I'm not sure when Kelly stopped working, but it seems he was active during the 90s and quite possibly beyond and his later photos are a different matter; there are head and shoulder portrait photos, so maybe this form exists among his earlier work too.
Here's what Brock had to say: "According to Ernie La Pointe the hat with the bow was given to Sitting Bull by Buffalo Bill Cody in St Louis which was the last stop of the tour...so it could be considered a goodbye gift [i.e. 1885]. Prior to that he was given a beaver skin top hat in Bismark during Bismark's celebration of being named territorial capital. He went up there to hopefully meet President Arthur but instead was greeted by low level bureaucrat who was only authorized to give him the top hat. He did not wear the hat very much as it has very little in the way of sweat stains. However there is a good chance he wore it in Canada during his four month tour with Alvern Allen's wild west show named 'The Sitting Bull Combination'. He gave the top hat to a young boy in St Louis when he got the new hat with the bow from Cody. The top hat recently resurfaced and was purchased by Searle Chapman who gave it to Ernie. It now resides in Ernie's hands. As far as the hat with the bow...don't know where it ended up...my guess is it didn't survive."
Here's a Palmquist and Jurgens for compraison:
and photos of SB with his family, usually dated about 1883:
Here's another Sitting Bull in a Gilbert mount. This time, it's clearly a Goff:
As a postscript, the last time I came across the picture of Sitting Bull in the hat at an auction site, it was credited to Goff and dated to the late 80s, but with the imprint of Ingersoll Photo, St Paul!
Last Edit: Sept 12, 2008 11:36:45 GMT -5 by grahamew
On the Bienecke site, the photo I've labelled Quick Shot (originally on page one of the thread, but since removed), is said to be Red Blanket, a Sioux chief of some note. "He is considered among the tribes to be quite a politician."
Last Edit: Aug 23, 2020 8:28:17 GMT -5 by grahamew
Finally: another Gilbert. Assumed to be a Mandan on the auction site I found it on, though possibly as a result of the imprint of Gilbert's studio in Mandan. I can tell you no more except that it's an earlier Gilbert because it;s the same backdrop as in the photo of Crow King.
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Hello, recently I rediscovered some very old photos I bought in the pe-internet era. I archieved the photos in these days directly at a garage sale in the very north of germany from a farmer. Nobody knows how these cabinet photos of native americans from the beginning of the last century made it to the very remote countyside of north germany.
I wonder if here are some experts with enough background to tell me a little bit more about the context of these photos.
I will try to post them.
You will see 7 photos on cardboard. Size: 16,5cm x 11cm The photos are made in the studio of JAMES W.GILBERT in NEW SALEM ,North DAKOTA. At the backside there are the names of the photographed persons handwritten with pencil in english and german:
2)RAIN IN THE FACE
6)STRIKES ENEMY (3 Persons)
7)3 CHILDREN OF - unreadable-
Thank you for your support,
Last Edit: Aug 23, 2020 8:46:50 GMT -5 by grahamew
The Rain in the Face is a Spencer from 1893 but with Gilbert's name on the card. Big Hand looks nothing like the man identified as Big Hand earlier in the thread, but appears to be the same man as 'Tommy' Hawk, the Mandan or Bull's Ear, the Crow (posted above); this is yet another female labelled Standing Holy; Strikes the Enemy is not the man identified as such in the photo posted earlier, but it may feasibly be his son, also in that photo; Spread Face is, I think, the Yanktonai leader, Big Head, already photographed by Zalmon Gilbert. Is that an older version of the Bad Gun photographed on horseback or a completely different man? It doesn't look like THE Bad Gun aka Rushing Bear.
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Thanks for posting this. A Gilbert image is always welcome. The woman on the left looks like Bismarck Mary, a Mandan (?); possibly also known as The Youngest. The backdrop indicates it's one of Gilbert's earlier Indian photos; unfortunately, I'm not sure when this period finished. Crow King, who Gilbert also photographed, died in 1884, so at the very least it's from the early 80s, but it may be well afterwards. This would be a Zalman Gilbert photo; the backdrop used by his son seems to be different again.
Last Edit: Aug 23, 2020 9:41:54 GMT -5 by grahamew