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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 7, 2010 6:01:19 GMT -5
Hi,
I am building the Cheyenne pages of my website (www.redroad.fr) but I do not find lots informations of genealogy about Cheyenne Chiefs. I found some but incomplete. I'm looking for informations of the father, mother,women and children (name, age etc) of this chiefs: Dull Knife, Little Wolf (northern chief), White Bull (Ice), Lame White Man, Two Moon, old Yellow Wolf (who died at San Creek), Tall Bull, Stone Forehead, Bull Bear and Stone Calf. Is there any picture of Stone Forehead? Thanks .
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 7, 2010 8:02:59 GMT -5
Salut coeurrouge,
and welcome! Good question, I would suggest to start a new thread for each of these Cheyenne leaders. I´ll try to gather some info myself over the next days.
Best Wishes
Dietmar
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Post by stoneforehead on Nov 15, 2010 5:29:58 GMT -5
i can help with the stone forehead and tall bull and yellow wolf
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 17, 2010 7:05:53 GMT -5
Thanks !
On Stone Forehead, I 've got this :
I just know that he had 3 sons ( Tall Wolf, Black Hairy Dog and Fox Tail) and 1 daughter who married a Dog Soldiers warrior. I don't know the year of their birth.
I don't know nor the name of the brothers and sisters of the chief neither of his parents.
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Post by stoneforehead on Nov 22, 2010 7:25:20 GMT -5
well as you would know a cheyenne band is of family,stone forehead was from the aorta band a band that is sacred.stone forehead had two other siblings White thunder(relative)Running Face(sister) and Black Kettle(cousin).Stone forehead had 4 sons Tall Wolf,Fox Tail and Black Hairy Dog,unknown son and a daughter who marred Tall Bull.With the death his 3 sons each a captain of the societies bowstring,kit fox,dog soldier and shield,Stone Forehead appointed the keep of the dog soldiers to Tall Bull his daughters husband and also the remaining other bands appointing captains to his best men until the family come of age and posper.While his remaining son Black Hairy Dog learned the ways of the Arrows. Tall Bull and Unknown Daughter of stone forehead wether they really had children or not is uncertain or determined(Looking into to it). White thunder whose daughter married George Bent. Running Face who married Turtle Following His Wife had 2 children Little Man(Bear) and White Beaver.Of the Aorta Band Little Man(Bear)brother in the cheyenne way and cousin by whiteman way.Succeeded Black Hairy Dog keeping the Arrows in the family as it has been since Sweet Medicine(also known as Matceit=Little Man) gave birth to his son passing down a blood line oath. Little Man(Bear) married CrossRoads(CrossRoadsWoman)Mocasah(dau)Fanny Little Man(dau)Fred Little Man(son)Louis(Lewis)Little Man(son) From sweet medicine's bloodline and of the Aorta Band now consists of the family of Louis(Lewis)Little Man only and the arrows are kept with the Redhat family until the Little Man family come of age.
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Post by coeurrouge on Nov 23, 2010 12:09:21 GMT -5
Thank you very much,
Have you the year of birth and death of Stone Forehead's Children, please?
On Yellow Wolf, I do understand that : he had at less 2 younger brothers, Big Man and Red Sun. He had 2 sons, Red Moon who lived on reservation and an adoptive son, Walking Coyote killed on 1855 by an Arapaho.
What do you know abut this chief?
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Post by stoneforehead on Nov 24, 2010 19:19:29 GMT -5
Dont know the exact date for both but they all died between 1864-67,1 son died in the sand creek massacre,Fox Tail however was filled with drunking rage and vengence after the death of his brother,wife and children at sand creek.He was accused of killing a mexican herder.all of the dog soldiers took up arms again after the sand massacre,raiding kiowa,pawnees up and down kansas with souix and arapaho when they came upon a railroad settlers/buffalo herders laying railroad track waste and skinning buffalos.Leaving carcasses all upon the plains.Fox Tail died in this raid. However the US goverment responded by sending Black Troops to go against the Dog Soldiers. The Black Troops where easily captured and pinned down.Tall Wolf and his dog soldiers stood upon the praire looking down at these Black Troops debating on the rightful thing to do,word was sent to a priest not far.Came upon the hill and looked down while Tall Wolf was explaining the encounter,There hair like the buffalo,skin like the buffalo,wild as they are,courage,bravery and the stubbornness of a buffalo."Buffalo Soldiers" he shouted"Go,our fight isnt with you little wild buffalo".Tall Wolf obeyed such an order of an Arrow Priest,open up the defense so that the Buffalo Soldiers would ride upon the prairie.
Tall Wolf and his Dog Soldiers encounter another white settlement this time layed as it was already burnt,scrounging threw the wreckage found suriviors men woman and children.Upon trying to recieve aid to them a man shot Tall Wolf.Fire break out Tall Wolf shot the man died as the he was also dieing.Left the survivors and rode fast to the rally encampment.Word spread to Stone Forehead that his sons haved been killed.In search of a captain of the Dog Soldiers orders where agreed to meet with Stone Forehead. In September upon riding to the distance Dog Soldiers came across a kiowa warparty.Attacked the Kiowa but offered a trade a young white woman and her child for the warriors to go free.Agreed for the trade as the Kiowa fleed across the praire.The Dog Soldiers rode taking the woman and child and offering her a place among the cheyenne a small encamptment of chief black kettle.The Dog Soldiers then proceede to Stone Foreheads encampment 50 miles away from black kettles to discuss US govement peace treaty and to appoint a new captain of the Dog Soldiers.
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Post by stoneforehead on Nov 24, 2010 19:30:31 GMT -5
the not long after is when the battle of washita happened,then after the slaughter of washita the surviviing cheyenne woman where lined upon the troops to pick for there rapist needs but since custer was general he had first pick,que in Monasetah.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 25, 2010 11:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by grace35235 on Apr 20, 2011 14:31:21 GMT -5
The information you have posted on Bull Bear is not entirely accurate. The confusion comes from the fact that Bull Bear, chief of the Dog Soldiers, brother to Lean Bear who was senselessly murdered by militia, and primary signatory of the Medicine Lodge Creek Treaty of 1867, had a son named Bull Bear who was also a Dog Soldier chief.
The photos you have posted are indeed Bull Bear, BUT the 1st, 4th, and 5th are of the son Young Bull Bear. The 2nd and 3rd are of the father Old Man Bull Bear. The 1st is from Smithsonian archives and dates (if I recall correctly) from 1910. The 4th is from the Field Museum of Chicago and was taken at the St. Louis Exposition of 1905. The 5th is from Pawnee Bill's Wild West Show (I think), c. 1910.
Old Man Bull Bear was born around 1816 and died, according to family information, 11 April 1892. He had two wives: Pipe Woman (children: Howling White, Clouding Woman, and Oscar Bull Bear) and Buffalo Wallow (children: Young Bull Bear, Emma Red Hair, Richard Davis - aka Chief Thunderbird-, and Elsie Davis).
Young Bull Bear, the oldest son, was born 1853 and died 1910. He is buried in Kingfisher Cemetery, Kingfisher, OK.
I am still researching Jock/Jack/Chock Bull Bear. There is some mention of him in the Oklahoma Historical Society archives. He is, as far as I have been able to determine, a step-son of Old Man Bull Bear. His mother was taken as wife after Pipe Woman and Buffalo Wallow passed.
If you would like more information, please contact me.
Grace, a great-granddaughter of Richard Davis and a great-great-granddaughter of Old Man Bull Bear.
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