A few oddities...

[grahamew]

Identified as Kiowa Apache. Caddo??


Chief Little Wolf and brother. This is a Barthelmess, isn't it?


Speaks for itself...

Finally, I've seen the photographer of these Shoshones identified as Muybridge and as Russell. Anyone know who took the images?

[Henri]

Don't know who took the Shoshonie images but the guy in front of the tipi has a nice skunk hat!!
Henri

[grahamew]

Anybody seen the guy labelled Crazy Horse before?

[jeroen]

He does not look familiar, but I don't think it is Crazy Horse, I even doubt he is Lakota, but rather from the Southern Plains. My guess would be Kiowa...

[Crazy hunter]

why£¿ can i know how do you figure out he is kiowa and not somebody lakota

[grahamew]

I was thinking Kiowa too - maybe Stumbling Bear???

[Dietmar]

I don´t believe he´s Stumbling Bear, but Southern Plains seems safe.
Kiowa... or perhaps Wichita?

@crazy hunter:
I think we all judge from the relatively short haircut, the style of the breast plate and his clothes. It´s just a guess so far.

[chaz629]

as far as i know there is only one photo of Crazy Horse and that one has never been proven to be him big debates over this,Crazy Horse's family has a sketching of him done in 1934 or 1937 not sure drawn by a morman artist going by crazy horses sisters description,in which she said was a very accurate pic,and the pic above looks nothing even close to either

[grahamew]

Some more to mull over...


This one was identifed as Cree Crow Lakota...



Follows the Woman and Bull Man


Photo by George Spencer


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'Pakan' Indian chiefs by J. Fraser Bryce, Toronto


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[Henri]

Graham,
1= two leggings
man with revolver might be Ute.
last one is Pawnee.
Looking for the man with odd hat and spencer...I have him somewhere in my files.
Henri

[Henri]

Man with hat & spencer is, Circling Hawk Sioux. Don't know what division.
Henri

[grahamew]

Thanks, Henri. I should've got the Two Leggings!

I see there was an Oglala Circling Hawk who ended up living (and, in 1929, dying) at Standing Rock where McLaughlin regarded him as a non=progressive. This may have been the same man living with Charging Thunder's Hunkpapas. Or maybe not... The same man, married to Kills Pretty Enemy, whoe rode the 'giant black horse' at Little Bighorn? www.welchdakotapapers.com/2011/10/life-on-the-plains-adoption-thru-cooking/

On the other hand, there seems to have been another Circling Hawk at Standing Rock, who was sent out to Canada to persuade Sitting Bull to return to the US. Or was this the same guy and have the stories been confused - or did he become a non-progressive later? This 'other' man seems to have died later, in 1932. www.welchdakotapapers.com/2011/10/indian-histories-from-cadotte-to-drags-wolf-30-individuals/#circling-hawk

I'd only ever seen Cree and Cheyenne (in Arrow's Elk ledger) wearing a decorated hat with the brim trimmed and the crown stretched up like this. I'd love to know when the photo was taken.

I've looked for similar backdrop to the one behind the 'Ute' man, but no luck so far.

'Pakan Indian chiefs', should, I suspect, be something like Pakan and his chiefs. A little search in the Glenbow archives gave me the names: L-R: Jonas Goodstoney, Stoney; Samson, Cree; Pakan or James Seenum, Cree.

Here's another photo taken around the same time, 4 October 1886 in Toronto by J. F. Bryce:


L-R: Reverend John McDougall; Samson, Cree chief; Pakan or James Seenum, Cree; Reverend R. B. Steinhauer; Jonas Goodstoney, Stoney.

Pakan was leader of the Whitefish Lake Cree who remained loyal to the Crown during the 1885 Rebellion.

[grahamew]

Two more Are these by Hamilton?


Hatchet Face, Lakota


Spotted Fawn, Lakota, 1870s.

Lucas won't have been the only photographer using a chair like this, but the one seen in the last photo looks like the one in the photos in the Lucas thread...