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Post by ftpeckpabaksa on Sept 15, 2010 17:25:58 GMT -5
I was looking over all the signatures on the Fort Laramie Treaty document. I do realize that the Upper and Lower Yanktonai and the Cut Head signed this Treaty at Fort Rice. But, for some of them, there is no date. I was wondering if anyone ever found the negotiations for these people. I never have read them or what they had said etc. Take a look at the document, you will see, like the Cut Head, don't have a date in which they signed.
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Post by kingsleybray on Sept 16, 2010 16:03:18 GMT -5
The big council with the Missouri River Lakota/Dakota was held at Ft Rice on July 2, 1868. The Indians represented were: Yanktonai (Lower, Upper, and Cuthead), Hunkpapa, Sihasapa, Sans Arc, Two Kettle, and Santee. They all signed that day.
The conventional printing of the 1868 signatories is a minefield, so be aware that the run of names under "Execution by the Yanctonais band" is a real mess. The first group of 19 names, running from Two Bears through Black Tomahawk, is correct - Yanktonai, signed at Ft Rice, July 2.
However the rest of the supposed Yanktonai signatories, running from Yellow Eagle through Wolf Chief, are incorrect. The first block of five names - (group a) Yellow Eagle, Small Hawk, (group b) Tall Wolf, Sitting Bear, Mad Wolf - are Oglalas, late arrivals to the Ft Laramie talks, signing the treaty there about June 1st (group a) and on June 3rd (group b). The rest of the names (26) are all Northern Arapaho, signing at Ft Laramie on June 16th.
The signatures of the "Uncpapa band", "Blackfeet band", "Cutheads band", "Two Kettle band", "Sans Arch band", and "Santee band", were all made at Ft Rice on July 2nd.
The Ft Rice speeches are transcribed on pages 95-103 of the following printed document:
"Papers Relating to Talks and Councils Held with the Indians in Dakota and Montana Territories in the Years 1866-1869" (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1910).
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Post by gregor on Sept 17, 2010 1:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by emilylevine on Sept 18, 2010 14:22:18 GMT -5
There's an interesting eyewitness chapter on the little-documented Fort Rice Treaty in Ben Arnold's Rekindling Campfires (reissued as The Exploits of Ben Arnold). Author is given as Lewis Crawford, but it's really Arnold's "step-daughter" Josephine Waggoner
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Post by gregor on Sept 18, 2010 18:17:27 GMT -5
Emily, we have to be careful with the Ben Arnold reports on the Ft. Laramie / Ft. Rice Treaty. On page 160 of this book the author says:
"From the Platte River came Red Cloud [to Fort Rice!], Afraid-Of-His-Horses, Little Wound, Two Strikes and Spotted Tail.....The Arapahos sent Black Kettle, ....the northern Cheyenne Dull Knife...".
As far as I know didn't these men sign the Treaty at Fort Rice nor did they attend the proceedings there. All these chiefs signed at Ft. Laramie: Spotted Tail, Two Strikes (Brulé) on April 29, 1868 Man-Afraid, Little Wound (Oglala) on May 25. / 26., 1868 The Hunkpapa signed on July 2, 1868 in Fort Rice and Red Cloud was the last to sign on November 6, 1868. I dont know if Black Kettle signed the treaty at all.
So, this source is unreliable in my view.
Greetings from Germany Gregor
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Post by emilylevine on Sept 18, 2010 20:09:41 GMT -5
Thanks Gregor You're right of course (and Hyde specifically points out this error in Red Cloud's Folk). It's frustrating once one finds an error because it makes all else they say suspect. Em
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Post by grahamew on Sept 19, 2010 3:49:58 GMT -5
Presumably she meant Black Coal?
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Post by emilylevine on Sept 19, 2010 10:52:03 GMT -5
instead of Black Kettle, right?
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Post by grahamew on Sept 20, 2010 1:33:41 GMT -5
I guess
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