I am researching Chief Satanta's son, Gray Goose, Saloso, or Tsa'l-aute. I understand it means Cry of the Wild Goose. I would like any information on him. He was in the military, a Texas Ranger, a Lighthorseman, Deputy at Ft Cobb. I can only find bits and pieces. I would like to know his BIA name, and where he was from 1877 or so to 1882 or so. I am hoping someone reads this that has more info that is available on the internet.
Thanks for taking the time to read this post, Sue
Last Edit: Sept 9, 2010 22:24:25 GMT -5 by suebaby
welcome to our message boards. Let me start with what´s already been posted on Satanta´s son in the Satanta-thread:
Sa-Loso aka Wild Goose Cry, Kiowa (posted by Charlie)
The proper Kiowa spelling of his name is actually Tsau lau te, meaning either Gray Goose or Cry of the wild goose, he was born around 1850 to Satanta and his mother was Zone ty, Satanta's eldest wife. It is not known he was the eldest son, he probably had another brother and at least three sisters, but Tsau lau te was undoubtedly Satanta's favorite son whom he groomed to be his successor. He also was known as one of the best shots among the Kiowa. Custer said he won a contest with Tsau lau te, but the story is doubtful. Involved in a romantic affair with the wife of another warrior, he got himself seriously wounded, but he fully recovered and when the Kiowa finally settled at the Fort Sill reservation he, like many others, became an army scout under captain Hugh Scott. He did have a daughter who passed the name Satanta down to her own son. I also read that Tsau lau te was a member of a Kiowa war party that went out to avenge the death of a Kiowa warrior in 1879. (four years after the Kiowa settled at Fort Sill!) Dietmar
Tsa´l-au-te This young Kiowa, whose name has the musical translation Cry-of-the-Wild-Goose, was the favorite son of Satanta. But although Satanta was regarded as being somewhat of a villain on account of his raiding in Texas, Tsa´lau-te, or Saloso as he was called by the whites, was a prime favorite at Fort Sill. Evidently he had an attractive personality and was a man of good humor and friendliness. Even though he was a member of Pago-to-goodle´s revenge raid for Auto-tainte in 1879, he retained his popularity with the officers at the post. In later years he was a member of Scott´s Troop L, Seventh Cavalry, and when he died, he left his father´s war shield to Scott. This famous shield, made by Black Horse about 1795 and carried in at least one hundred battles, even as far south as Durango, Mexico, is believed to be in the museum of the University of California. Wilbur S. Nye, Plains Indian Raiders, Univ. of Oklahoma Press, page 326 Dietmar
Tsa-lau-te was according to Charles M. Robinson III (Satanta, State House Press) the son of Satanta and one of his wives, Zone-ty. He was the oldest child and is said to have been the favorite of Satanta. During the U.S. Army´s winter campaign on the Southern Plains in 1868, Satanta´s son came to know G. A. Custer. Robinson stated that they even became friends. Custer recognized that Saloso was an excellent shot with a rifle. Both tested their skills against each other, with Custer being the winner. This disappointed Satanta, who thought his son was the best shot in the whole Kiowa Nation. In 1869 Saloso received a serious gunshot wound. He had fallen in love with the wife of another leading warrior. In the struggle with the other man Saloso drew his pistol and shot himself, either accidently or intentionally. With the help of a medicine man and also an army surgeon he recovered. After Satanta´s death Soloso inherited his name. He often was called Young Satanta. He enlisted as an army scout. Tsa´l-au-te or Saloso had a daughter called At-me-ponyah, who carried the name Satanta on through the female line. Today there are still descendants of Satanta and Saloso in Oklahoma. Dietmar
Thanks so much for the info, some I have some I did not. Saloso is supposed to be my great grandfather and it is very hard to trace him in the 1878 to 1881 time frame. I do foster care and it is hard to have much time to research and your input means a lot, blessings to you and thanks again, Sue--Bastrop Texas
I got the information above from books, it would be very interesting if family history would match the written records.
However, from census lists I have the following information: (Mandy) At Me Ponyah, born 1874, daughter of Saloso/Tsa-laute, married Howard Sankadota (Tone keah quodle, born 1877). Their children were: Mary Sankadota, born 1907 Clarence Sankadota, 1910-1992 Frank C. Sankadota, born 1912 Charles Sankadota, born 1914
Post by tkavanagh on Sept 18, 2010 11:31:56 GMT -5
The “Family Record Book” (FRB) was compiled ca 1901 and maintained for a few years thereafter as an aide to heirship problems created by the allotment of the KCA reservation. It is in the order of the 1899 annual census list, with each family given a “Family Number.”
I transcribed the Kiowa Agency copy ca. 1982. About 1991, the Lawton chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution also transcribed it; a copy of that transcript and a photocopy of the original is available at the genealogy room of the Lawton public library. Their transcript is useful for reference, but unfortunately, the DAR people were not familiar with the Indian names and often mis-transcribed them.
Based on the information from Dietmar, I can add the following:
(Mandy) At Me Ponyah [spelled in the FRB: Atumpoheya (I despise the syllabic hyphens and refuse to use them)], aged 23 in 1901, family number 27, allotment number K2409. She was married to (as spelled in the FRB) Tonekiahquodle, aka Howard Sankadota, allotment K2468.
There is a note in the FRB that they were married by Rev. A. E. Butterfield at Fort Sill, July 19, 1896.) In 1901, their children were:
Margaret, age 4, allotment K2470
James, age 1/6, allotment K2471
Jessie (female), born since allotments.
Since Kiowa is peripheral to my interest with Numunuu, I have little further data on Kiowa; but somewhat around this apartment, I have a copy of the 1942 KCA "payment roll." I will try to find it.
Last Edit: Sept 18, 2010 11:34:04 GMT -5 by tkavanagh
Dietmar, thanks so much, I really appreciate all the info and the welcome message! I have been looking for info for over two years and hardly ever has any one answered me. Germany is a long way from Texas, never been there, heard it is beautiful. Never thought I would find someone with info on Kiowa Indians in Germany, thanks again, I am going to try to put it all together and keep on plodding along, Sue
tk----Bless you and thanks so much, I am getting closer and closer to the truth everyday and this really means a lot. I am told if I can find the land leases for Gray Goose, some info might be listed on there, but I am also told I have to go to OK to get that info. The Indians don't give out too much info, it is like pulling teeth, but I have a feeling you know that already. Thanks again for the input/info, with everyone's else my family tree will finally have a Great Grandfather leaf--regards, Sue in Bastrop Texas
Post by tkavanagh on Sept 19, 2010 10:26:56 GMT -5
Way back, Dietmar wrote: “...Tsau lau te, meaning either Gray Goose or Cry of the wild goose, he was born around 1850 to Satanta and his mother was Zone ty, Satanta's eldest wife.”
And then, “(Mandy) At Me Ponyah, born 1874, daughter of Saloso/Tsa-laute, married Howard Sankadota (Tone keah quodle, born 1877)...”
I wrote: (Mandy) At Me Ponyah [spelled in the FRB: Atumpoheya (I despise the syllabic hyphens and refuse to use them)], aged 23 in 1901, family number 27, allotment number K2409. She was married to (as spelled in the FRB) Tonekiahquodle, aka Howard Sankadota, allotment K2468.
Further examination of the FRB gives that Atumpoheya was the daughter of “Sietintel (White Bear”) and “Soantin.” Note: the father was White Bear, not Tselotso, and the mother is not Zonety.
Meanwhile, I find that Kauqueye (FRB spelling), aka Odlepaugh, Fam Num 334, list num 1036, allotment K 2237, age 47, is given as the son of “Sitinety (White Bear)” and Zonety.
Immediate conclusion, we are following at least two different descent lines with generations confused.
Note: Tsalotso did not receive an allotment, and so there were no "land leases."
tk-this is enough to really drive me crazy! The spellings alone are crazy. I have been in touch with Betty Washburn, White Bears Descendants - she is Gray Goose's Great Grand daughter, she said she had no information that would help me. I don't think I can get any where going down that path. You would think that someone would know his BIA name and where he was in 1878 to 1882 or so, can't be that difficult. Thank you again for spending time looking at this for me, I can never tell you how much it means to me-blessings, Sue
Charles Robinson interviewed Betty Washburn for his biography on Satanta. She is the daughter of Clarence Sankadota.
I wonder about At Me Ponyah´s birth date. Satanta surrendered in October 1874 and went to the penitary in Huntsville, he died there. If she is his daughter, not granddaughter, he hardly had known her for long. Could it be that his son had raised her thereafter? Just some thoughts...
A website visitor has sent me a request on Satanta´s son:
I am searching for information on Satanta's son. I saw your post, and the info I am looking for is much more specific. I have been told by my grandmother that I am the great great granddaughter of the son of Satanta. I know he was a texas ranger, and he is listed in records my family has as such. What I am trying to find out is about a captive woman named Catherine (i think). An irish woman that had two daughters, Lola Lewis and Red Annie or Amy. I can find anything on them. Can you help me?
Hello, in reply to the latest questiion, Catherine Lewis was not Irish nor was she a captive. She was born in Medina County Texas, parents Miranda Neil and Bennett Tomerlin. She is listed in the 1880 census as a daughter of Bennett Tomerlin and Annie was two years old. Story goes she married Andy Lewis, agency name for Gray Goose, is how we think the name Andy Lewis came in. (search 1880 census for Bennett Tomerlin, Catherine Tomerlin is Catherine Lewis) Catherine's mother Miranda Neil is niece to Col James Neil of Alamo fame---she is my great grandmother, my father was Lula Lewis son. As always, thanks for sharing----Sue