I would think that our member Brock knows a lot more about these children of Lone Horn, I don´t know if he follows our boards right at the moment. I have to a look what´s already on his DVDs, I remember there are at least some dates of birth and death.
Post by kingsleybray on Aug 28, 2010 4:17:56 GMT -5
Lone Horn married as many as ten wives during his lifetime. Of these the best remembered were three sisters, Stands on Ground, Wind, and Stiff Leg. Their children were as follows:
1. Stands on Ground (or Little Old Woman): had 6 children with Lone Horn –
• Touch the Clouds (1837-1905) m. Light Woman (5 children) [photo in Sprague, Cheyenne River Sioux, p. 65] • Matthew Standing Elk (1855-1938) (m. Susie White Weasel, possibly relative of Hollow Horn Bear, died 08/03/1937, they had two children, Philip and Thomas Standing Elk) [photo in Sprague, p. 73] • Three other sons (Ida Crow stated that these included Big Foot, and possibly Roman Nose and Frog) • Two White Cows, aka Ida Crow (1862-21/02/1945) [photo in Sprague, p. 105] m. (a) Luke Gets Off (3 children, Louise, Sophia and Aryules Gets Off) m. (b) John Crow
2. Wind (ca. 1812-1890, killed at Wounded Knee?): had 1 child with Lone Horn –
• Four Horses (Woman) m. 5 times First marriage to Thunder Buffalo, produced one daughter, Kate Kills Plenty/Blue Legs, aka Kate Hunter (lived at Rosebud). Second marriage to Poor Elk, produced one child: Edward Hunter. Third marriage to Wet Skirt (Two Kettle), produced one child: George Hunter Fourth marriage to Jose Marshall, produced one child: Susie (or Bessie) Marshall. Fifth marriage to Yellow Haired Horse, produced one child, died as infant.
3. Stiff Leg (ca. 1817-07/05/1911): had 5 children with Lone Horn –
• Her Iron Cane (born ca. 1843-d. 01/05/1901) m. Bridge (died 16/01/1898), one child: Spotted Horse (or Leona Lyman Spotted Horse Bridge, 1866-21/04/1901), m. Edward Lyman (1857-1936) • Talks About Him (1851/2-June 1, 1901) m. (a) Susie White Weasel (?-08/03/1937), said to be daughter of Hollow Horn Bear, produced one daughter, Ellen Talks About Him Black Moon (1877-28/02/1940) m. Philip Black Moon (1882-01/01/1957) NB I am not sure about the Susie White Weasel marriage - she was married to TAH's brother Standing Elk (b) Otter Woman (1855-?), possibly Cheyenne, produced four children, Charlie, George [photo in Sprague, p. 72], Peter and Agnes Talks. • Plenty Clothes Woman, aka Lassoed White Cow (1850-16/04/1901) , m. (a) Blacksmith, son Yellow Shirt (1885-15/04/1901), (b) Black Fox, two unnamed children
• Lone Horn also had two sons who died as “babies” (ca. 1851, 1857?).
SUMMARY: Lone Horn had at least seven children surviving to adulthood by these three wives. In likely order of birth, they were:
• Touch the Clouds born 1836-37 mother: Stands on Ground • Four Horses born ca. 1840-45 mother: Wind • Her Iron Cane born ca. 1843 mother: Stiff Leg • Plenty Clothes, or Lassoed White Cow born ca. 1850 mother: Stiff Leg • Talks About Him born 1851/52 mother: Stiff Leg • Standing Elk born 1855 mother: Stands on Ground • Two White Cows born 1862 mother: Stands on Ground
This is my current working version of Lone Horn's Family - hope it helps
Post by kingsleybray on Aug 28, 2010 4:44:21 GMT -5
Roman Nose the Miniconjou leader photographed at the treaty of 1868 talks at Ft Laramie, was likely some sort of relation to Lone Horn, they are usually mentioned together in contemporary records - but the photographic evidence is clear that he was too old to be a son. Could he, like Spotted Elk (Big Foot), have been a son of the elder One Horn, the chief painted by Catlin and killed by a buffalo bull in ca. 1835? I don't know the answer for sure, I'm afraid. The Indian Wars researcher Walter M. Camp interviewed Roman Nose's son Charging Eagle (Wambli Watakpe, ca. 1847-1918) on the Cheyenne River Reservation. Charging Eagle stated that his father's name in Lakota was Pa Shkopa, literally meaning Crooked Nose. Interpreters and other contemporary white men translated it as Roman Nose. Charging Eagle said that his father was also called "Shiute", meaning Thigh. (Fr Buechel's Lakota dictionary gives this word as siyoto, that's 's' with an acute accent so pronounced 'sh-' - shiyoto -, referring to the front part of the thigh.) Roman Nose died in Canada in spring 1878. His son Charging Eagle was one of the founders of the Red Scaffold community on the Cheyenne River Reservation.
Post by swiftbird659 on Nov 22, 2010 17:10:05 GMT -5
I also show in my family records that Ida Crow CR-2685,1862-1945 or Two White Cows was a daughter of Lone Horn. Ida was married first to Luke Gets Off and later to John Crow. Ida`s daughter Louise Gets Off CR-1226,1890-1949 married Luke Two Tails Gilbert CR-842,1887-1949. Luke Gilbert was the first elected Chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. Moses Spotted Eagle CR-841,1840-1923 is his maternal grandfather and his paternal great grandfather was a Yanton Sioux by the name of Bear Necklace.
Post by lonehorntakoja on Mar 18, 2014 17:16:22 GMT -5
Lone Horn #1 was with Big Woman #1......they had a daughter who was named Na Ki hi hi na. Na ki hi hi na was married to Owl Bull....they had a daughter who was also named (Big Woman) after her grandmother Big Woman #1. Big Woman #2 married Black Moon at age seventeen but separated when Black Moon fled into Canada in 1871. Big Woman #2 stayed on the Fort Peck Reservation and married His Grey Horse and later married No Mother. Big Woman #2 brothers Black Coyote, Dog Skin Necklace and Looking Thunder were killed in Wounded Knee. Her brother Long Horn lived well into the 1900's. Their mother Na ki hi hi na survived Wounded Knee with one daughter and one grand daughter. Na ki hi hi na stayed in Pine Ridge with her daughter who married a White Hat from Rosebud. Records have showed that Black coyote was Big Foots nephew. The name Long Horn came from the grandfather Lone Horn. Big Woman traveled to Standing Rock, Cheyenne River and Pine Ridge on ration days and traded those items for goods as she went back to Fort Peck. Records will show that she used relative children during the ration days. Long Horn was runner up for the portrait used on the 5 cent piece. His molded head bust is still at the Museum of Natural History in NY, NY. Big Woman #2 and two Assiniboine's; Manly Bacon and Warren Carl took the Ghost Dance into Canada after 1890. Big Woman #2 had five children: Daniel Lester, Susan Lester Two Face, Clayton Lester and Helen Lester Youpee. Lester is a boarding school name.
Post by kingsleybray on Mar 19, 2014 4:24:36 GMT -5
Thankyou, lonehorntakoja, this is fascinating.
Lone Horn # 1 - is he the Lone Horn who was painted by George Catlin and killed by a buffalo bull in c. 1835? Or his relative the Lone Horn who was father to Touch the Clouds and a prominent Miniconjou leader in 1850-1875?
Owl Bull was the eyapaha or Hunkpapa tribal herald in the 1860s. The Hunkpapa council sent him to Ft Rice to attend the 1868 treaty talks. His son Long Horn: according to Stanley Vestal's informants he became a Hunkpapa shirt wearer, and he belonged to the Wakan tiyohspaye of the Hunkpapa.
This photo shows NOT Matthew Standing Elk, who was related to Lone Horn, but Silas Standing Elk and his family.
All the above identifications of the family members are incorrect as well.
The South Dakota Historical Society has the photo as Silas Standing Elk and family. In my files I found another portrait of this man with Reuben Quick Bear. Both Reuben and Silas Standing Elk were members of a delegation from Rosebud to Washington in 1904.
Silas Standing Elk & Reuben Quick Bear, 1904
Last Edit: Feb 11, 2015 11:12:06 GMT -5 by Dietmar
Post by carlcdupree on May 2, 2017 17:14:29 GMT -5
Years back I went to the National Gallery of Art to see my Grandfathers One Horns portrait by George Catlin. One Horns painting was on traveling exhibition so they showed me this picture.
One Horn is sitting beside his son and his wife "Sand Bar" is standing behind him holding another son. In the 1830's an enemy group the Rees raided One Horns camp and killed his wife and son. Soon after One Horn took on a buffalo and was gored to death.
I believe this other son in the picture is Spotted Elk aka Big Foot and was adopted to Lone Horn the younger brother. All though history my family always claimed Spotted Elk as part of the family but, no one really knew how. Just that he was. The His-Story books always make references time and time again. But, I truly believe this is the link that we missed.
A sketch of the group, which is probably the basis for your painting, is among these pictures as well:
"The following handwritten caption is on the image: "Toh-ky-e-to (the Stone with Horns), Tchon-dee (Tobacco), Tchon-su-mons-ka (the Sand Bar), Ha-wan-je-tah (the one Horn)" . On verso: incomplete pencil sketch . Catlin manuscript volume "The North Americans in the Middle of the Nineteenth Century" Part One: "Sioux (Dakota). Ha-wan-je-tah (the one horn) head chief of the Sioux tribe (of 35.000) in a splendid dress of skins, ornamented with a profusion of porcupine quill embroidery and fringed with scalp locks. The Sioux tribe has 40. Bands, and each Band has its chief, who are all subordinate to this man. Tchon-dee (Tobacco) Second civil chief of the Sioux tribe, and very distinguished for his war adventures. Toh-ky-e-to (the Stone with horns) the great medicine man of the tribe, and Counsellor of the chief; and also distinguished as an Orator, and wise man in Council, his body and limbs curiously tattooed. Tchon-su-mons-ka (the Sand Bar) a Sioux woman, wife of the chief, with her child in her arms." " [comment from the Huntington Library site]
The numbers below the names are those of the individual portrait plates.
According Catlin´s notes for the individual portrait of Sand Bar, she was the wife of trader Francois Chardon. Stone with Horns is otherwise identified by Catlin as Yankton, while he identified Tobacco as Oglala.
Is something more known about the 3 sisters who were wives of Lone Horn, i.e. Stands on Ground, Wind, and Stiff Leg ? For example: 1. their parents 2. their siblings 3. their other relatives 4. the oyate they grew up in 5. the tiyoshpaye they grew up in
Post by kingsleybray on Apr 30, 2019 4:20:32 GMT -5
hreinn, I have some answers to the above questions.
The three sisters were daughters of a Miniconjou headman (naca, an elder and traditional chief) called White Painted Shield. Their extended family group or sub-band was called Wagmuha Sna, referring to the sort of rattle made from a pumpkin or gourd: Lakotas think of this as a 'high-pitched rattle'. This grouping of 50-100 people was a sub-band within the tiyospaye called Sunkayutesni, Eat No Dogs. The three girls serially married Lone Horn across the rough period 1836-42. Their father and the Wagmuha Sna group at some point joined Lone Horn's own band, the Wakpokiyan. His father-in-law was a supporter and key adviser to Lone Horn when he was negotiating the truce with the Crows in 1851.