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Post by neilg on Apr 21, 2011 15:20:27 GMT -5
Hi Ephrian, Many thanks for your response.
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Neil.
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Post by neilg on Apr 21, 2011 15:12:36 GMT -5
Hi Kingsley,
A useful reference. Many thanks.
Neil.
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Post by neilg on Mar 31, 2011 14:08:08 GMT -5
Hi Ephriam, Thank you for your kind offer to answer questions arising from your recent book. Could I refer you to my earlier email to Ladonna concerning the moccasins in the British Museum labelled as being made by the daughter of Sitting Bull and his wife Moungain Goat [woman]. The daughter being referred to as Sleeping Water ? Does your book pick up any similar names at all ?
Many thanks.
Neil
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Post by neilg on Mar 26, 2011 14:49:33 GMT -5
The references are :- Grinnell - The Cheyenne Indians Vol 1 [p4] and Tribal Names of the America's [1948] - Patricia Roberts Clark and also the Handbook of American Indians; North of Mexico by Frederick Webb Hodge. I think I am right in saying The Sacred Arrows are black and red.The feathers are not striped. See Sweet Medicine - Peter Powell.
Neil.
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Post by neilg on Mar 26, 2011 13:50:41 GMT -5
Thanks for coming back. From my inspection the bead work and importantly the style and cut of the moccasins suggest Lakota to me. I believe you have mis read the name. It is Mountain Goat - He ki nskayapi.
Sleeping Water does seem slightly unusual but maybe possible.
Presumably Major Walsh had a roster/census of the Canadian Sioux. Probably best that I have a search there for any reference to these names.
I wonder if E. Dickson can shed any light from his recent book on the Lakota returning from Canada with Sitting Bull ?
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Post by neilg on Mar 26, 2011 8:32:05 GMT -5
Hi Ladonna, Having looked at your detailed research on the Sitting Bull family you may be interested to know that in the reserve collections of the Bristh Museum there are a beautiful pair of moccasins labelled as being made by the daughter of Sitting Bull and Mountain Goat . The daughters name given is Sleeping Water [the spelling is shown incorrectly as Minnerstema but should be Mini Istinma without the diacritics ]. Dated 1880 and collected by a Canadian family connected to Wood Mountain.
This is an interesting entry in the museum records. Experience shows one must be careful with labels as they can be wrong. However the label is old and came with the moccasins when bought at auction by the BM in 1996 from Phillips Auctioneers in London. They could be artifakes but I doubt this.
Is it possible that there was another Sitting Bull amongst the Canadian Lakota at this time or rather a case of name changes to the wife and daughter of the Hunkpapa leader whilst north of the boundary line ?
If you go to the British Museum website and click on viewing the collections enter in moccasins sleeping water and hopefully you will be able to view.
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Neil
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Post by neilg on Mar 22, 2011 15:07:41 GMT -5
I wonder if you could help me please. I have been researching the wonderful scalplock shirt at the Saffron Walden Museum in the UK. It is replete in symbolism. On the front is a solid black hand [nothing unusual in that ] but there is also a forearm which is edged with a thick black border but the core of the forearm is unpainted. The shirt is labelled as being collected from a Dakota warrior. Shirts were traded and so this label is no guarantee it is of Dakota origin. There are many unusual features about the shirt such as the hand and forearm design and an inverted assembly amongst others. Virtually all shirts are worn as the skin was arranged on the animal. ie hair side out. this is the reverse. Consequently, black arm references are now on my radar. I am aware that certain Kiowa warriors painted their hands and arms black [possibly part of the Black Legs society - Tonkonga] and Maximillian made reference to the Hidatsa and Mandan having a Black Arm society who featured in the Hot Dance that he witnessed. However, I have just come across two references to the Cheyenne being called Black Arms. Can anyone offer any pointers on this name for the Cheyenne ?
Neil.
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Post by neilg on Mar 20, 2011 13:15:08 GMT -5
Hi Ladonna, This will be the same scalplock returned by the Smithsonian to EL. I think it was back in 1997 or 1998 when Colin was allowed access to look for the leggings and scalplock.
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Post by neilg on Mar 20, 2011 9:22:28 GMT -5
Hi , I have just joined the forum and have been reading about the return of Sitting Bulls scalplock and leggings. Apologies if I am stating facts that are already covered elsewhere by the discussion group but I just wanted to mention that it was the late Dr Colin Taylor who found the scalplock at the Smithsonian. See Iho'lena Voices from the past;messages for the future.Cultural,religious and military content of Plains Indian artefacts {Verlag fur Amerikanistik 1998 - ISBN 3-89510-061-7. Colin had heard rumours about the possible existance of these pieces at the SI and made a search before he needed to catch a plane back to the UK. He found the scalplock in a brown envelope towards the back of a filing cabinet. In the book referred to above [p13] he states "a small package was found amongst [Major] McLaughlin's papers. It contained a lock of hair and it was labelled in the Major's handwriting "Sitting Bulls hair". It begs the question if McLaughlin knowlingly understood the symbolism behind keeping this scalplock amongst his possessions ?
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