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Post by suebaby on Aug 25, 2017 17:29:12 GMT -5
Hello to all at American-Tribes:
This is suebaby out of Bastrop Tex. I have not been on this site for quite a long time. Just wanted to update my search for Satanta's Son. My previous post state I was looking for a connection between Graygoose and Andy Lewis. Current information has clarified a few things. Andy Lewis was arrested for horse theft in 1881 in Medina County Tex. He was sentenced to five years in prison. No doubt this is our Andy Lewis. As the story went he just disappeared when Catherine Tomerlin was expecting Lula (second daughter). The Family had no information on what happened to him. Written records are catching up with oral history. Can't imagine Kiowa Tribe not knowing this.
Regards to all,
suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Sept 17, 2012 20:49:25 GMT -5
Hello, have not been on the "TRAIL" for a while, it has been a hot summer in Texas. Can anyone tell me if there is an existing photo of "RED TIPI (TEEPEE)? Greetings to everyone from SUEBABY
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Post by suebaby on Jun 29, 2012 16:40:00 GMT -5
tk---thanks so much, I hope to get back before summer is over and I will look up all of your suggestions, and yes I hope the a/c is repaired. Just a note, you are correct in the arrangement of the FHR, it has not changed and all the Indian books are in this area. Mr Spivey has retired, I was sorry to hear and the person I visited with was Mark Magee. He is very knowlegable and was very nice. You may know him, he has been at Ft Sill I think he said for 20 years. He gave me a list of other museums and lots of places to research. I don't know if I will ever make them all. He stays in touch with Mr Spivey. Hope you make all your travels safely and happy hunting---suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 28, 2012 20:12:07 GMT -5
Just an update--I have asked the Ok Historical Society to clarify the photo of "Big Bear", I have not heard from them as of today. I made it to Lawton, Ok.. Now the fun part, the A/C is out at the library, I tried for two days to "take it like a man" no way. I did find a manuscript called 50 Years with the Kiowa, Corwin, presented by OK. NASDAR. In this it states Tsaulaute's mother was Yah-Dain-Dhate. Oh My! Never heard this name. It also says Tsalute's wife was an invalid and a cripple and he died at an early age, would have been around 44 I think. It also states his daughter married "SANKA-DOTEY", which is true. I made it to Ft Sill to the museum, wonderful experience, I now have a letter that states Tsalute was never in Troop L. Which makes since, it was commissioned in 1892, he died in 1894, maybe to old at that time. I did get the book cinemo referred me to "Bad Medicine & Good" still working on that. Also, ran across the name Thomas Kavanagh a lot----will update with more as it comes, I really appreciate everyone's help and sharing of information. suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 13, 2012 16:01:36 GMT -5
cinemo
Thank you again, I am hot on the book trail. I will let you know how the trip and research goes, as always, if you think of anything else, I will be glad to follow up and really appreciate the tips---Never been to OK, looking forward to it, my sincere thanks,
suebaby, Bastrop Texas
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Post by suebaby on Jun 13, 2012 8:14:51 GMT -5
Hello cinemo,
No I am not familiar with this book, but I am searching for it. I am so glad to get any leads and will certainly follow through. I am going to Ft Sill in Lawton Ok next week and will read the book before I go, maybe get a few more hints to follow. I am glad you are following the posts or I would have missed out on a new lead, thanks so much---and
greetings from the Lone Star State----suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 12, 2012 11:50:06 GMT -5
tk, oh my, I don't know what to say. I guess if I had explained what I was looking for before now it would have saved me a lot of time. I can tell you I will never make it to the Smithsonian and I envy your knowledge, appreciate everything you have shared and will always be grateful. I will try to look up what I can and keep working on it. I am convinced Grey Goose is my great grandfather, I just need to link the name Andy Lewis, and prove he was in Texas during 1877 to 1881 or so. He also was said to have came to Texas from Abilene Kansas with a man that had taken a heard of cattle to Abilene, the person's name is Will Duncan. He was the uncle of Catherine Tomerlin. I also have wondered if Grey Goose ever saw his Dad in prison, Medina County is not very far from Houston. Anyway, thank you again for taking the time to research this and think about it, not many people would. suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 10, 2012 17:03:57 GMT -5
Thank you! I know you put a lot of time into this and I appreciate it. Emily Satepauhoodle is the person that told me she found Tsaulaute using Satanta's name in the 1879 records. She did a lot of the work at the Smithsonian Inst. Emily passed away before I knew enough to ask her which name it was, or how it was spelled. Tsalaute only had one child, a daughter. I don't know about a boy. The other question we are trying to figure out is where was he in the years 1877 to 1881 or some of that time. We can't place him on the reservation. You have a lot of information and have saved me a lot of time looking, especially when I don't know what I am looking for as far as the name spelling. Emily did make the remark that she had no idea he took his fathers name until she saw this census. This made the whole family story of Satanta being our grandfather possible, it was the son, not the Chief--so the hunt goes on and I can't thank you enough. If I understand your message the name did not show up until 1883, story goes he was in Texas late 1877 off and on until 1881. Sara Rollins on Ancestry.com has a private tree. It has 5000 names and they are all verified. If you ever need to ask her anything, send her a message through Ancestry. I think the tree is Native American Indians.
thanks again, suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 9, 2012 10:39:08 GMT -5
What I am looking for is a Military Name, the name Andy Lewis was never used on the reservation and I don't expect it to be there. Thank you for sharing your info, I have been told the first time Gray Goose used his father's name was in the 1879 census, it is supposed to be in the Family Record Book, in Lawton Library. I have not been there, but hope to make it someday. He died in 1894, no allotment to check out. I have a limited means to search, but will continue. I also have no way of knowing how they would have spelled Satanta, I have seen it several different ways. Thanks again, suebaby
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Post by suebaby on Jun 7, 2012 11:50:50 GMT -5
would like to know what was researched to find there is no agency name for Andy Lewis? The Name LEWIS was never used on the reservation so that is no suprise.
sue
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Post by suebaby on Jun 6, 2012 23:17:04 GMT -5
Hello, in reply to the latest questiion, Catherine Lewis was not Irish nor was she a captive. She was born in Medina County Texas, parents Miranda Neil and Bennett Tomerlin. She is listed in the 1880 census as a daughter of Bennett Tomerlin and Annie was two years old. Story goes she married Andy Lewis, agency name for Gray Goose, is how we think the name Andy Lewis came in. (search 1880 census for Bennett Tomerlin, Catherine Tomerlin is Catherine Lewis) Catherine's mother Miranda Neil is niece to Col James Neil of Alamo fame---she is my great grandmother, my father was Lula Lewis son. As always, thanks for sharing----Sue
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Post by suebaby on Sept 19, 2010 22:57:59 GMT -5
tk-this is enough to really drive me crazy! The spellings alone are crazy. I have been in touch with Betty Washburn, White Bears Descendants - she is Gray Goose's Great Grand daughter, she said she had no information that would help me. I don't think I can get any where going down that path. You would think that someone would know his BIA name and where he was in 1878 to 1882 or so, can't be that difficult. Thank you again for spending time looking at this for me, I can never tell you how much it means to me-blessings, Sue
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Post by suebaby on Sept 18, 2010 21:51:54 GMT -5
tk----Bless you and thanks so much, I am getting closer and closer to the truth everyday and this really means a lot. I am told if I can find the land leases for Gray Goose, some info might be listed on there, but I am also told I have to go to OK to get that info. The Indians don't give out too much info, it is like pulling teeth, but I have a feeling you know that already. Thanks again for the input/info, with everyone's else my family tree will finally have a Great Grandfather leaf--regards, Sue in Bastrop Texas
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Post by suebaby on Sept 18, 2010 21:47:29 GMT -5
Dietmar, thanks so much, I really appreciate all the info and the welcome message! I have been looking for info for over two years and hardly ever has any one answered me. Germany is a long way from Texas, never been there, heard it is beautiful. Never thought I would find someone with info on Kiowa Indians in Germany, thanks again, I am going to try to put it all together and keep on plodding along, Sue
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Post by suebaby on Sept 16, 2010 21:32:23 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the info, some I have some I did not. Saloso is supposed to be my great grandfather and it is very hard to trace him in the 1878 to 1881 time frame. I do foster care and it is hard to have much time to research and your input means a lot, blessings to you and thanks again, Sue--Bastrop Texas
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