mmmh, just a thought... he´s older and a bit leaner in the second photo, of course...Eyes puffed from eye-lashes to the eyes-brown. The one in the middle eys caved in from Eyes lashes to eyes brown. Not the same person
Yes, it is American Horse Lodge. In this pictures there is American Horse. The little girl in front of him is the same little girl with the hat in the middle of the picture you posted. Same breastplate same face. The baby on American Horse wife lap is the same little baby on the lap of her mother, right near American Horse standing. I wonder who is the Indian in the middle, a vague resemblance of Little Big Man. This is Hamilton # 154 " Family Group at Red Cloud"
I could not agree with you more. I was just wondering if Mitchell and Hamilton ever met at Red Cloud. The fact that they had more cameras it showed it on the photographs they took. This picture was not taken by a camera that was taking tintypes and so was the camera that Hamilton is using at the moment. We also know that he took tintypes photo as well. So I wonder, perhaps the camera that was able to take tintype was inside the studio which it was better to take inside pictures. It could have been his son taking that picture, Mitchell or perhaps two more persons who had camera at camp Robinson also.
Grahamew, in my opinion, Hamilton and Mitchell were there at the same time, perhaps they were just crossing paths, but chances are they were there at the same time. I think the photographer in the picture is Hamilton, being describe physically as a large man. So if the photographer was Hamilton, who was taking his picture? who was photographing who? We know Mitchell was there in the beginning of September, but we also knew that Hamilton was there in August, but turned out to be that he was there in June and July also. Could it be that they were there at the same time even for only a very little short time? Just wondering.
Dietmar, I believe what you said too. Great points. In my opinion, all Hamilton photos taken at Camp Robinson and at the White River agencies who did not have his trademark on, his name and Sioux City on, were sold or given away right there at the agencies. The other photos that he was not able to sell or get rid of at the agencies or the nearby places, he took them back to his studio at Sioux City and printed his name and Sioux City on. Those are the ones he sold later on. At least that is the way I see it. That is why some of them have only handwriting written on them and some his name and the Sioux City on.
Dietmar for the size of the country back then and the population America had back then, the coverage was almost zero or nobody cared. Please show me one newspaper and one newspaper only out East where the death of Crazy Horse made first page. Of course there was some coverage, Newspapers need attention to sell, to justify their jobs. The coverage of Crazy Horse death in comparison other news of the moment it was minimum, peanuts in comparison a big celebrity should have received. It was all smoke, again, I’m not aware of any big newspaper out East that covered his death in the front page. Making second page and not the front cover, meant like playing soccer in the second or third division in the Bundesliga, not the same as the first. The percentage of civilians who went to work every day for a living, knew nothing, very little or care less about Crazy Horse death. It was not exposed nationwide like an important or historical fact. of course everyone at the agencies knew of Crazy Horse. All the military knew of Crazy Horse and perhaps all bunch of people out there, but with Crazy Horse death, so died his fame. It was all forgotten as soon his fame begun. It was all over quickly. Just remember Hamilton son in his speech in front so many people half century later in a major city:” there was an Indian Chief called Crazy Horse”. He did not say:” there was Crazy Horse. He spoke of him like he was sure the audience had never heard of him and rightfully so. Thank God so many years later the Lakota oral history gave him the respect, fame that he deserved, but thanks only to the Lakota people who could not expose him worldwide yet due to the circumstances being subdued by the whites.
I´m sorry, but I can´t agree. Newspaper coverage about Crazy Horse was nationwide. I have cited a few newspapers as examples, but they all easily can be found online in the Library of Congress archives.
In spring 1877, before Hamilton took photos at the agencies, Crazy Horse was one of the few Lakota leaders, and beside Sitting Bull THE most reknown leader, that the military was after.
Dozens of articles cover the wait for his surrender in spring 1877. When he was killed in September, all major newspapers wrote about the incident.
At least people at the agencies, like Hamilton that year, must have known about him and his importance.
You are confirming exactly what I said. Barely known to the world out there. Think about when he got killed. It made no news whatsoever. Same few newspapers that you mentioned, perhaps many more, but not a big deal. Never made first page in the East newspapers where the money and the tick population was. Practically almost unknown and the fact that Hamilton had a photo of him in his catalogue, it means that he intended to sell it to the public like the others photos or exploit it to the rest of the world. If he did, he never became reach and so the person who bought it or got it. Hamilton must have sold it for a few dollars or give it away. That it is how much it was worth it at the time a photo of an ugly Indian chief, according to Hamilton son, considered at the time a trouble maker by the military, by the rest of the world and by his own kinsmen who betrayed him at the very end with the exception of some of course.
Thank you Dietmar. What a great job you did. As you noted, Number one on the list is Spotted Tail and Crazy Horse only 104. What does it tell you?. Just to reply on one of your previous comment on why Hamilton did not try to sell Crazy Horse picture to make money since he was so famous back then as he is now. The answer is, my personal opinion only, that Crazy Horse back then in 1877 was not famous at all. Only the military knew who he was. His war deeds, specially on the Little Big Horn, were at the time not know to the outside world and so to Hamilton. It was in the new century, thanks to the famous interviews done to Crazy Horse contemporaries that the truth about Crazy Horse as a warrior and as a man begun to come out, started to emerge, but back then in 1877, he was known as a leading warrior who resisted white encroachment and was a leader at the leader at Little Big Horn. When he was killed, made page fourth on the largest and most famous papers in the East. Nobody cared. In 1877 the big names to the white civilians were Spotted Tail and Red Cloud. At the "Address of Judge Charles C. Hamilton Before the Academy of Science and Le ers of Sioux City, Iowa November 27, 1928" Hamilton's son Judge Charles, clearly stated that, :" there was a bad Indian called Crazy Horse", like if he wanted to introduce to the crowd Crazy Horse name for the first time. That meant that in 1928, he was sure, that the audience knew very little about Crazy Horse and that was at Sioux City in the Middle West half century later. I can only let you imagine in the East in 1877 a few month later Crazy Horse surrendered, how much Hamilton knew of Crazy Horse greatness and fame. Regards
Dietmar, I did come across an other stereo views of Hamilton. It was long time ago and was all different from the one I own. I think it was a Hamilton Kodylik catalogue or Hamilton Hoyt catalogue, but I definitely had a copy of it. Do not recall the names and the tribes the views and who were on that list. I was only concern at the moment at the Northwest stereo views. I might still have it among my notes, but it is like searching a needle in the hay-nest, but it definitely there were more stereo views/catalogues of Hamilton.