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Post by ann on Feb 22, 2019 10:17:27 GMT -5
L/R John Red Eagle, Scott BigHorn, Geoffrey Standing Bear, Charles Tillman, Jim Grey, taken at the Nature Conservancy's Joseph H. William's Tallgrass Prairie Preserve North of Pawhuska, Oklahoma. In the background some of the 2500 free-range bison that roam the nearly 40,000 acres of protected tallgrasss prairie. Courtesy - Norris Streetman. 2019
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Post by ann on Feb 12, 2019 9:25:20 GMT -5
It can be argued that Mangas Coloradas controlled the most territory and influenced the most amount of warriors in Apache history. Followed by Cochise. Those two in my opinion are way ahead of the other Apache Chiefs when it comes to who had the most influence. I believe that Victorio was the most skilled Apache commander, and Geronimo the most ruthless. The most fearsome Apache fighting unit in Apache history, in my opinion belongs to Mangas Coloradas. Until the arrival of the California Column in 1861 and the Battle of Apache PAss, Mangas Coloradas was the Lord of Apacheria. I agree with your observation.
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Post by ann on Dec 25, 2018 8:28:11 GMT -5
Merry Christmas to you too and have a wonderful New Year in Germany. This made my heart glad.
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Post by ann on Sept 11, 2018 23:47:55 GMT -5
Historian; I am sorry, I do not see Strong Lift Hand in the picture. All I see is an older woman standing on the porch (it is interesting what it says about her) and a woman in the doorway.
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Post by ann on Sept 8, 2018 10:10:22 GMT -5
I thought at one time I saw where Dietmar?? had placed some pictures of the Cheyenne's that were held in Kansas waiting for trial but I can't find that thread anywhere. I have a curiosity about Red Sleeve Panther, you can only find one picture taken of him in 1879. You can find no date of birth nor date of death. But you can find a reasonable amount of information on him other than that. However, I have found out what I think may be correct--his father was Strong Left Hand who took part in the Battle of Little Big Horn. Strong Left Hand had two sons, William Yellow Robe and Red Sleeve Panther and six daughters,which I won't name here. William Yellow Robe had a son, Hugh Walks Along and he had a son Joseph Walks Along. My question is: is there more than one Strong Left Hand that was a Cheyenne? If I remember the pictures correctly I thought the man Strong Left Hand looked very young to have a son as old as William Yellow Robe that witnessed the Battle of Little Big Horn. Again if I remember the pictures correctly at the end was a picture of Strong Left Hand and his family in 1890?? To me the date and ages of what the children look to be does not quit line up in my mind at being the same man. Does anyone have any comments on this? Thanks Left to right.: Tangle Hair, Wild Hog, Strong Left Hand, George Reynolds (interpreter), Old Crow, Noisy Walker, Porcupine, Blacksmith, April 1879
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Post by ann on Jul 23, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -5
Yes, they are all active. Mark your post new.
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Post by ann on Feb 27, 2018 18:24:33 GMT -5
Since you ask for a Cheyenne expert, (which I am not one) but since you ask this question over seven years ago I would like to share some things. In "Custer's Last Stand, Personal Accounts: ..... Little Whirlwind, about 16, died in a confrontation near the river with one of the Arikara Scouts recruited by Reno's boss, Lt. Col. George A. Custer .... Wooden Leg, A Cheyenne warrior who recounted his story to biographer, Thomas Marquis many years later. " Whirlwind, a Cheyenne charged after a war-bonnet Indian belonging with the whites. The enemy Indian bravely charged toward Whirlwind. The two men fired rifles at the same moment. Both of them fell dead. This was on the flat land just east of the river where the soldiers crossed." ..... Some of the Northern Cheyenne casualties are referred to as the "Suicide Boys". These young men vowed to fight to the death in attacking the soldiers. Thought to be among their number were Noisy Walking, about 18; Limber Bones (Limberhand), about 20; Closed Hand and Cut Belly, about 30. Wooden Leg believed that all were unmarried and had no children. ..... Some discrepancy may be chalked up to confusion over the interpreters translation of Cheyenne names ......Little Whirlwind and Swift Cloud may be the same person. Here is where the confusion is for me. Little Whirlwind.docx (87.89 KB) Little Whirlwind with two arresting officers, 1897. Then read Little Whirlwind. docx
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Post by ann on Feb 27, 2018 12:39:23 GMT -5
There is also a book: Norther Cheyenne Album that has Susan Iron Teeth in it. John Woodenlegs tells the story of the pictures. It tells how the people in the pictures were related.
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Post by ann on Oct 27, 2017 9:31:25 GMT -5
I came across on Youtube a History of the Bylas Western Apaches on the San Carlos Indian Reservation and the first picture of the two women together was on that. So I am taking that information they were Bylas Apaches. No names were given though.
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Post by ann on Aug 25, 2017 10:59:26 GMT -5
On Youtube: Warrior Women, Lozen, Claudine Saenz, a descendant of Victorio and Lozen talks. I am not sure where she lives. But most of the Tribes have a record of a person, if you know their name.
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Post by ann on Aug 25, 2017 10:49:04 GMT -5
She traveled as a prisoner of war to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. She died in confinement of tuberculosis on June 17, 1889. Buried in unmarked grave. She is pictured in infamous POW train picture. Name meant good thief of horses, also had other name of which remains not written nor known yet she was beloved little sister of biduyah biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. In the picture of the train I have read the second woman in the back L-R was Lozen also. However, on this site under Geronimo (3 over) down to Dietamar's Picture of the train it says she is Bi-ya-neta, stolen wife of Perico. I also believe Mithio confirmed that. Thanks for your comment.
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Post by ann on Aug 16, 2017 9:45:18 GMT -5
I am not Apache or Navajo; I hope you do not mind if I comment on some of the things my grandfather used. What he called propolis he got from the comb of wild honey bees (any honey bee will work). He took part of the dry comb, ground it up and added water to it and it did wonders on cuts. He also used pine sap. On the trees are small bumps, when you press them sap runs out that looks like honey. Place over the cut. The outer layer of the Echinacea (also called coneflower) root is also good.
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Post by ann on Aug 14, 2017 16:47:03 GMT -5
Wow--I have a book on Victorio. I hope the book is correct in the writing. However, if that is the case (which I am sure you are correct) they have the wrong picture. Thanks, for this information I will see what I can find out about Mohave and Yayapai. It is sad that so many of the great Apache people there are no pictures of them.
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Post by ann on Aug 13, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -5
That is interesting Coeurrouge. I have gone through my old photo's and you can very well be right. Do you think there might be some resemblance to Victorio and the woman to the front of the first picture?
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Post by ann on Aug 10, 2017 11:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks, I looked through those pictures and could not find anyone that looked like these women. I have been told the front women in the first photo and the colored picture were both Lozen. However, they look like two different people to me. I understand from what I have read on this board there are no known pictures of Lozen.
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