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Post by mark2dgs on Apr 11, 2023 8:05:24 GMT -5
Very cool additional info on this image! thank's!
With a date of the photo taken and the reference to height, it might be possible to reinvestigate what is known of "Poor Coyote/Old Coyote".
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Post by mark2dgs on Jun 27, 2020 15:52:42 GMT -5
Great to see these close-up! Thank's Grahamew.
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Post by mark2dgs on Aug 18, 2018 13:09:40 GMT -5
dT, I was hired to do research into the Sierra Madre Apaches for a documentary. I made contact online with several people in Mexico. Some of these people claim Apache ancestry and I was invited to a gathering in the Sierra Madre. For the duration of the 10 days I was there, every hospitality was extended to me and the documentary filmmaker who was with me. Chi1 who is on this board lives in Cd. Juarez was our guide around Chihuahua City Apache sites and in and around Cd. Juarez. He is a very kind and knowledgeable fellow. The gathering was to be held on ranchland belonging to the family that had invited me in the first place. They arranged the trip up to the town of Guachochi in the Sierra Madre. From Chihuahua City to Guachochi, I think it was a ride of 5-6 hours. Beautyfull country. sharp curves up there and at one place there had been a mudslide on the road, so we had to rug it on a dirt road and cross a stream too. We where put up in a local hotel and everywhere we went was in company of some of our hosts. We were assured that it was safe and when asked, they said it had been so for about two years. The police patrols we encountered where heavily armed and literately dined with hands on their weapons. Mounted machineguns on their vehicles. But yes, I felt quite safe, while there. In hinesight, one can allways cunjure up a tale or two..
Although I left the documentary in january, I will for now wait with further details. They also went to Mescalero Nm. And talked to people there. Hopefully things will work out as there is quite the story in it.
All the best/ Mark
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Post by mark2dgs on Aug 26, 2017 3:54:08 GMT -5
Hi, all- just a quick word from me: Went to the Sierra Madre and back in one piece!
Felt safe enough, while there. There are ofcource army check points and heavily armed state police (they literally dine with their finger on their triggers!)
Special thank's goes out to Chi1, a member in here! Very kind and helpfull.
/Mark
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Post by mark2dgs on Jun 28, 2017 15:26:58 GMT -5
Chi1,- I shure hope You see this message: I am very interested in making kontakt with You. I am doing research on all of the above in this thread and a fieldtrip is in the making for this coming november 2017. My email is: marksalters@outlook.com
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Post by mark2dgs on May 6, 2017 3:45:30 GMT -5
"Early 1847; Blackfoot attack a Cree camp and kill 4 relations of Chief Kiya Ki Kasakoowe, a close friend of Chief Black Powder" (father of Big Bear). "Fall 1847; Kiya Ki Kasakoowe organises and leads a large revenge party against the Blackfoot; En route the party is struck by ilness, with several deaths. As a result the party turns back". These quotes from J. Fromhold likely refers to the insident where the Chiefs own son was killed and Kane witnessed his riding through a camp with his pibestem calling for warriors to join the retaliation party. Same pibestem as depicted in the painting. A photograph of the pibestem on display in a museum can also be found.
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Post by mark2dgs on May 4, 2017 12:03:44 GMT -5
Sounds a lot like "Man who gives the war whoop", painted by Paul Kane in the mid 1840's. He was a Plains Cree head Chief in the Fort Edmonton area, as I recall. Portrait in oil aswell as a study done in watercolours is known. Photographers where relatively late coming to the Canadian west. Ca. 1870's. By that time "Man who gives the war whoop" was long dead. I think I have his death year somewhere in my books. Going by memory, it was only a few years after Kane met and painted him.
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Post by mark2dgs on Feb 2, 2017 14:12:33 GMT -5
Even more great stuff! likely selling polished horns yes. Likely late 1890s. Narrowed possible timeframe for first Klenze photograph down even more. Could be winter of 1886/87, where the Crees wintered on a tributary of the Sun river in Montana. They worked at Fort Assineboine and had good relations with the soldiers there. Post Commander even recommending them. First report of the killing of Little Poplar by Ward, as early as april 1887.
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Post by mark2dgs on Feb 1, 2017 9:24:47 GMT -5
All this leads me to give more and more credence to the possible date of 1887/88 for the photograph that started this thread.
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Post by mark2dgs on Feb 1, 2017 9:22:28 GMT -5
I see my post from yesterday didn't make it through the warp- Oh well. In the meantime I managed to dig up some more on Henry Gysbert Klenze (1864-1924). Born to German immigrant parents, raised and educated in Davenport, Iowa. went out west. where he met Barry and learned photography and did a 2 year photographic tour of Montana with him. (Must be lots of photographs out there!) He also did a lot of photography of the northern pacific railway in 1887, which must have been just after his trip with Barry. Found a very interesting photograph of railway carts and posing workers and indians dated 1887, by Klenze. Unfortunately I cannot enlarge it. Still looking for more! He ended up quite wealthy and owned a number of mining claims in the Helena- Butte area. He was a leading man who was well thought of apparently. He married a widow Marguerite, who had a daughter, whom he adopted. She later became known as Canadian born American writer and feminist Mary MacLane (interesting bio on her too! "The wild woman of Butte") Haven't found the details yet- but Henry G. Klenze took his own life in 1924, so a somewhat tragic ending for a supposedly well to do and popular man.
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Post by mark2dgs on Jan 24, 2017 7:13:01 GMT -5
Great find!
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Post by mark2dgs on Jan 20, 2017 6:25:09 GMT -5
In march of 1878, the gunsmith Engelbert Krauskopf sent a photograph of Rudolph Fischer to congressman Gustav Schleicher, who had apparently helped arrange Rudolphs return from Fort Sill to Fredericksburg.. Read this a couple of years ago in Scott Zesch's book "The Captives". Curious to know if it was a yet unknown photograph of Rudolph, I tried to track it down. No luck yet. I realise that this is a Isatai-Quenatosavit thread, but as Black Crow and Rudolph show up in the thread I shall risk it ;-) To my thinking, they could have photographed him in Fredericksburg, as they seem to report on him often enough, while he was there 1877/78. The known photograph of Rudolph and Black Crow I would guess to have been taken after his return to the reservation?
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 27, 2015 16:43:09 GMT -5
True. I was hoping someone in here might shed some light on it. Richeaud or Richeauld sounds close enough to Richard/Reesaw for there to be a possible connection. Joe could be John, Jean, joseph or Jacques even. Again it may just be a nickname connected to the "Buckskin Joe" name.. As I recall it, Grouard describes his conflict with Louis Reesaw/Richaud as involving several of Louis' Brothers or cousins..
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 26, 2015 16:46:57 GMT -5
Photo Courtesy Utah State Historical Society. Joe Richeaud, "Buckskin Joe" was the son of a French trapper and a Souix woman. He was with General Custer at the Battle of the Wichiteau in 1868 and at the Battle of Little Big Horn in 1876. -Not much info out there to be found, but found the above.. Looks like a buffalo hoof design on his moccasin. Does he have only one leg, I wonder?
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Post by mark2dgs on Nov 24, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -5
Just went and found that other thread on fb Prairie Material Studies, where You posted a portrait of Dangerous Eagle wearing a hat. As far as I can tell it's the same as the guy in white shirt/black vest is wearing in the buffalo paint scene. Looks like it could be the same hide leggings with twisted fringe too.
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